Ships!

[Staggerwing]

I'll watch the vid later on, but just wanted to mention that the HMS Victorious was actually loaned to the US Navy for a while and refitted to conduct US style naval aviation operations under the name USS Robin. She kept most of her RN crew but had her original (US made Lend-Lease) aircraft repainted in US markings. She was meant to strengthen the US Navy's carrier fleet during a period between when the US lost one carrier as well as another out of action, and when the new Essex-class carrier would enter service.

[Sir Slash]

Cool! Didn't know that. 

[besilarius]

https://www.armouredcarriers.com/uss-robin-hms-victorious

Best account I've seen on Victorious in the South Pacific.

[bayonetbrant]

https://twitter.com/yulenbilbao/status/1668941336442032130

[besilarius]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VnS_eaSldvs&feature=share

Nice presentation On damage repair.  Some rather appalling photos of damages, especially by torpedo.

[besilarius]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1611065292284356/permalink/6685164501541051/

U SS Newcome after multiple kamikaze hits.

[besilarius]

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/SkyFleet.html

1934 pastiche I f a carrier at war.  Some vintage planes.

[Staggerwing]

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/SkyFleet.html

1934 pastiche I f a carrier at war.  Some vintage planes.

Lots and lots of good stuff Bes!

If I'm not  mistaken, around 7:49 they show the famous exercise where Billy Mitchell's Martin MB-2s dropped practice munitions on the WW1 war prize battleship SMS Ostfriesland, which they would later sink, creating a notable controversy and leading to Mitchell's court marshal for calling out the War Dept for its short sightedness and deliberate obstruction to a proper US Air Force.

[besilarius]

https://www.pearlharboraviationmuseum.org/blog/pearl-harbor-thunderfish-in-the-sky/?

Japanese torpedo development for the shallow water drop at Pearl Harbor.
Also contrasts with the different British solution used at Taranto.

[besilarius]

HMS Victory.  Such ships were built entire of oak and a three decker consumed of 900 acres of 3,500 full grown trees.  They were driven by 50,000 square feet of canvas, eleven square sails on three masts, plus 3 jibs, 4 staysails, 10 stunsails, and a spinnaker, with two sets of each onboard, and were fitted with 80 tons of spars,  900 blocks, and 34 miles of rope - some of it six inches thick.
     The Birth of the Modern.  Paul Johnson.

[Barthheart]

HMS Victory.  Such ships were built entire of oak and a three decker consumed of 900 acres of 3,500 full grown trees.  They were driven by 50,000 square feet of canvas, eleven square sails on three masts, plus 3 jibs, 4 staysails, 10 stunsails, and a spinnaker, with two sets of each onboard, and were fitted with 80 tons of spars,  900 blocks, and 34 miles of rope - some of it six inches thick.
     The Birth of the Modern.  Paul Johnson.

I’ve always found it fascinating how many trees were needed to build these ships. And the logistical planning that had to go in to planting such forests for ship building. Always thought that the game Civilization should have had wood as a resource needed to build ships. Ship building is the main reason the Cedars of Lebanon went extinct.

[besilarius]

Never knew how much credence to give this.
A port captain in Elefsis Greece was familiar with the ancient myths.  In them, much of Greece was forested.  He believed this changed after Lepanto.  The Turks had to build a fleet in a hurry over the winter and basically denuded the Greek lands by cutting down all the timber.  That's why the soil is so poor.
Not sure of t.his since at that time, the 1970s, all things bad were because of the Turks.

[Steelie]

I’ve always found it fascinating how many trees were needed to build these ships. And the logistical planning that had to go in to planting such forests for ship building. Always thought that the game Civilization should have had wood as a resource needed to build ships. Ship building is the main reason the Cedars of Lebanon went extinct.

In retrospect, it's somewhat amazing wood is not a needed resource in Civ. You're right. For centuries it was vital to not only shipbuilding but many other industries as well. Lightbulb going off moment there!

[bob48]

This is interesting.

[Staggerwing]

^ Ed Nash always has great vids, whether they be about obscure aircraft (or flattops) or about potential modern weapons in Ukraine. He's definitely worth a youtube channel sub.

Rex's Hanger is another good channel for interesting aircraft, though his videos tens to run a bit longer.