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Title: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on August 17, 2022, 10:34:11 AM
We re-start Labor Day weekend

This OOB is final.  Thanks to you all.  Welcome back and welcome.

I'll get out an all-hands e-mail, but still will be holding the start of the clock to Labor Day weekend (US) so there's plenty of time.

For France:
Portraying BOTH Napoleon I, Emperor of the French AND
Portraying Jean-Baptiste Bessières, 1st Duke of Istria, Commanding the Imperial Guard, Lance
Portraying Jean Bernadotte, Commanding I Corps, TomG
Portraying Louis-Nicolas d'Avout, 1st Duke of Auerstaedt, Commanding III Corps, Griff 2-6
Portraying Jean-de-Dieu Soult,, Commanding IV Corps, Gabe
Portraying Andre Massena, Commanding V Corps, Hatricus
Portraying Michel Ney, Commanding VI Corps Advocator
Portraying Édouard Mortier, Commanding VIII Corps: Pinetree
Portraying Jean Lannes, 1st Duke of Montebello, Commanding the French Reserve: Treb Courie
Portraying Joachim-Napoleon Murat, Prince of Berg and Admiral of the Empire, Commanding the Cavalry Reserve:  David Pumphouse*


For the Allies:
Portraying Levin August Gottlieb Theophil Graf von Bennigsen, Russian Supreme Commander, ACHILLES
Portraying Pyotr Bagration, Commanding the Avant-garde, Destruct
Portraying Alexander Ivanovich Count Osterman-Tolstoy, Commanding the Russian reserve, James Sterrett
Portraying Anton Wilhelm von L'Estocq, Commanding the Prussian forces, The Command Tent
Portraying Prince Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly, OJ

Reserve:

Bryan
Boyerwolf

S!

And Vive L'Empereur :).

Jim
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: LetsPlayHistory on August 18, 2022, 04:34:32 AM
Seems like we have to convince Jim once more of the advantages Discord has.  ;D
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: TTC on August 18, 2022, 09:45:45 AM
Seems like we have to convince Jim once more of the advantages Discord has.  ;D

He's doing all the hard work. I will just follow our esteemed leader down whatever misguided path he takes us. :)
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on August 18, 2022, 11:43:34 AM
Seems like we have to convince Jim once more of the advantages Discord has.  ;D

As you know, I LIKE Discord and use it regularly now.

I received strong feedback, however, from a number of players that their preferred method was e-mail.

It was also the only method that got consistent results the last time, though, in fairness, Discord was not then in play...
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on August 18, 2022, 11:43:56 AM
Seems like we have to convince Jim once more of the advantages Discord has.  ;D

He's doing all the hard work. I will just follow our esteemed leader down whatever misguided path he takes us. :)

Everyone's a comedian...
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Advocator (Scott) on August 18, 2022, 07:54:11 PM
I was unaware there was a poll on Discord vs. Email vs. Carrier Pigeon. Had I known, I would have strongly pushed for Discord as I think it's a great format for keeping things organized and in a manner that I can more easily contemplate on my phone while eating lunch.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on August 21, 2022, 11:54:45 AM
I know folks like it and I'm well used to it.

For a live KS (1824, par example), I'd definitely use it.

Clear preference amongst those who played in the previous for e-mail, though...some wanting nothing to do with Discord...or at least having nothing to do with it at present and not particularly wanting to try.

Jim
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: LetsPlayHistory on August 22, 2022, 12:37:08 PM
That's interesting. I find Discord much easier to use for Kriegsspiel than e-mail.

I do both, and I find it horribly unwieldy to extract information from an e-mail quickly and precisely, if it is not superbly layouted, while cross-referencing back and forth with my map or TTS or whatever.

Plus all the options with channel management and teams and roles and whatnot.

Huh, wondering why exactly people find e-mail more convenient.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Barthheart on August 22, 2022, 03:27:43 PM
...
Huh, wondering why exactly people find e-mail more convenient.

Probably because it's something hey know... and maybe some of they don't want to learn anything new.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Advocator (Scott) on August 22, 2022, 04:09:15 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ae/48/0a/ae480a8503d46cb6529da82be6bb33a6--star-wars-geek.jpg)

And we also used email instead of Discord. And we liked it!
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: GameGabster on August 22, 2022, 04:47:16 PM
Huh, wondering why exactly people find e-mail more convenient.

Because I check it more often.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: GROGnadsUSA on August 22, 2022, 05:40:18 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ae/48/0a/ae480a8503d46cb6529da82be6bb33a6--star-wars-geek.jpg)

And we also used email instead of Discord. And we liked it!
"EMAIL"?!? Why, We had JUST "Air Mail" and "1st Class", or "Magazine Class"-(forgot WHAT they called that), "CandyGrams", "Strip-O-Grams", "PAY to PLAY-by-mail"-('Starweb', etc.), and whatever! "Do Do Do Do Do Do Do!  Playing 'Games' in the U.S.A. Somebody get ME a handful of 'Cheetos'! ...and a 'Cheeseburger'!"
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 22, 2022, 05:53:10 PM
Ok Scott, I LOLed
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Advocator (Scott) on August 22, 2022, 07:43:16 PM
I may not post often, but when I do, I aim to amuse.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FJJ38x2tH0c/UKm7YgccszI/AAAAAAAAMz0/pr1VkC3CedY/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/george-bush-meme-mission-accomplished-banner-lipstick-pig.jpg)
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Barthheart on August 22, 2022, 09:02:00 PM
BTW Adam Sandler movies were never funny. Just sayin. ;)
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on August 23, 2022, 09:06:13 AM
The VdA KSs are very different from one run live.  They’ve a more generous pacing better suited to e-mail.  A couple of players are active military or military adjacent and I don’t know what the view of Discord is there either.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: LetsPlayHistory on August 23, 2022, 12:06:18 PM
Oh sure, as I said, at the IKS we use Discord very effectively for huge, long running play-by-post games, D-Day with 96 players for example.

Hm, the military context might be something. Although, we also have a number of those folks on the server, and they have run and played games with us. So maybe not as much of an issue as one might think.

It's just that I think it offers so many features and options that make it so much more convient to use for these kind of games than e-mail, and that I don't believe in "that's how we've always done it" to be a valid argument for anything, really.  ;D But enough preaching for now.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on August 23, 2022, 12:48:15 PM
And, just so it's clear, it's not that at all.  I'm there if folks wanted to be.

For reasons -- whatever they might be -- players said they didn't want it...those that spoke...
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: TTC on August 23, 2022, 05:29:39 PM
The VdA KSs are very different from one run live.  They’ve a more generous pacing better suited to e-mail.  A couple of players are active military or military adjacent and I don’t know what the view of Discord is there either.

What is the issue with military using Discord? I am active duty and use it all the time.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on August 23, 2022, 05:37:10 PM
The VdA KSs are very different from one run live.  They’ve a more generous pacing better suited to e-mail.  A couple of players are active military or military adjacent and I don’t know what the view of Discord is there either.

What is the issue with military using Discord? I am active duty and use it all the time.

Huh...I'll ask.  Don't rightfully know.  It wasn't the biggest issue, but it seemed very much to be there.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Advocator (Scott) on August 25, 2022, 08:07:09 AM
BTW Adam Sandler movies were never funny. Just sayin. ;)

You're not wrong. But I also didn't want to put the effort into editing the image I found in a minute of Googling.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Barthheart on August 25, 2022, 10:01:46 AM
BTW Adam Sandler movies were never funny. Just sayin. ;)

You're not wrong. But I also didn't want to put the effort into editing the image I found in a minute of Googling.

 ;D :bigthumb:
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: BSA on August 28, 2022, 12:40:54 PM
I'd like to be added to any available reserve/replacement roster if needed.

Cheers,

Bryan
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on August 28, 2022, 03:17:29 PM
Done and dusted!
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Boyerwulf on August 28, 2022, 06:01:13 PM
I have no idea what any of this is, where it was advertised, explained,  or anything, other than it has something to do with Kriegspiel. If willing to explain what is going on, and how to play,  I would be more than happy to be a reserve.  If not for seeing a tweet I would still be in ignorant bliss.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: BSA on August 28, 2022, 11:52:40 PM
I have no idea what any of this is, where it was advertised, explained,  or anything, other than it has something to do with Kriegspiel. If willing to explain what is going on, and how to play,  I would be more than happy to be a reserve.  If not for seeing a tweet I would still be in ignorant bliss.

Here's a good AAR of Vol de L'Aigle, the system used, that should give you an idea of the thing, pace of play, etc:

https://theboardgaminglife.com/2014/07/20/le-vol-de-laigle-a-board-gaming-life-after-action-report/
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Boyerwulf on August 29, 2022, 07:16:31 AM
Thank You
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Boyerwulf on August 29, 2022, 12:13:11 PM

 So a good place to start would be to find a copy of the game, to learn the rule-set I take it ?  ...... Hope their is another option since the game is currently going for $319.99 on ebay
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 29, 2022, 12:16:00 PM

 So a good place to start would be to find a copy of the game, to learn the rule-set I take it ?  ...... Hope their is another option since the game is currently going for $319.99 on ebay

nah, Jim ends up making all the rules applications.  You'll describe what your units are doing and how, and he handles the adjudication behind the curtain and gives you the outcome.  All the rules and the "gods-eye-view" maps are dealt with at his level
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on August 29, 2022, 12:24:00 PM

 So a good place to start would be to find a copy of the game, to learn the rule-set I take it ?  ...... Hope their is another option since the game is currently going for $319.99 on ebay

nah, Jim ends up making all the rules applications.  You'll describe what your units are doing and how, and he handles the adjudication behind the curtain and gives you the outcome.  All the rules and the "gods-eye-view" maps are dealt with at his level

What the man said.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: BSA on August 29, 2022, 12:29:36 PM

 So a good place to start would be to find a copy of the game, to learn the rule-set I take it ?  ...... Hope their is another option since the game is currently going for $319.99 on ebay

If you do want a peek behind the curtain, the basic rules we posted with the designer's permission at BGG:

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/144474/le-vol-de-laigle-volume-3-le-systeme-complet/files

Understanding a few basic aspects doesn't hurt, and I've found lessens questions for the umpire...but yes, you can just sit back and let Jim do all the hard work if you'd like!
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on August 29, 2022, 12:45:07 PM
Also note we only play the "Basic" rules -- with a few tweaks.

The other bits are fascinating, but I've never found the flame worth the candle.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Boyerwulf on August 29, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
It looks like DnD for Grognards LOL
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 29, 2022, 03:06:06 PM
It looks like DnD for Grognards LOL

D&D is Kriegsspiel for Tolkein fanbois   :hehe:
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on August 29, 2022, 05:26:29 PM
It looks like DnD for Grognards LOL

Arneson and Gygax seem to have gotten the idea for the DM and a DM-moderated game from the KS so, yeah...
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Boyerwulf on August 29, 2022, 05:51:43 PM
If I was needed to join it seems like I would need a map. A where are my forces.  Who are my forces.  Who are the other forces on my side. Where are they supposedly at. Finally where is the Enemy supposedly, and what is his supposed makeup.
 I take it that all this is provided (minus the map) in one way or another.

 
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 29, 2022, 06:53:11 PM
Si, señor
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on September 16, 2022, 04:12:58 PM
E-mail sent to both sides re: Discord.

Posting here just in case...

So I'm pretty well ready to roll.  Must do final pre-flights.But I've thought about this a LOT and want to ask:

If I opened up a Discord server for this, how many would NOT be able to join it, for whatever reason?

If there's only one or two I can handle an extra e-mail.

It just seemed like there was broad comfort with that as an option.

Shout quickly if it's a problem, please?

Jim

Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: TTC on September 16, 2022, 04:59:53 PM
I don't see the email. Maybe my courier was waylaid or got lost.

But I could use Discord with zero issues.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on September 16, 2022, 08:22:22 PM
I don't see the email. Maybe my courier was waylaid or got lost.

But I could use Discord with zero issues.

Did you get the latest?  I reshipped.

You've inadvertently arrived at one of my concerns with e-mail as medium for this...

Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: GameGabster on September 17, 2022, 02:56:05 AM
I don't mind discord, but if it is possible I would still like to be BCc'd on any time updates by email. It's just a much better reminder for me to get things done than having an update come through discord.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: TTC on September 17, 2022, 10:40:20 AM
I don't see the email. Maybe my courier was waylaid or got lost.

But I could use Discord with zero issues.

Did you get the latest?  I reshipped.

You've inadvertently arrived at one of my concerns with e-mail as medium for this...

Received and replied.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on September 17, 2022, 11:37:33 AM
Despite the preference of some for Discord, it looks like there's enough that really want to be on e-mail that I'll stay there.

Must get my list straight, though...

Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: TTC on September 18, 2022, 01:29:36 PM
Not to beat this dead horse, and I know and respect that our fearless and generous Umperor has decreed that we will play via email...

But I have a lot of issues with Discord... way too many channels, lack of threaded conversations, etc. However, it is a perfect format for KS.
Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Cyrano on September 18, 2022, 09:33:24 PM
Letting folks know we've gone radio silent.

I will be announcing the clock in the e-mail threads, neither here nor on Discord.

Good luck, gents.

Title: Re: 1807 KS -- REBOOT
Post by: Dave Pumphouse on September 20, 2022, 04:55:52 PM
For it is better to be lucky than good :)