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Title: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: judgedredd on February 21, 2023, 02:23:27 AM
If anyone has this game, please can you list the details of the one map scenarios? I'd like to see if I'm going to get value for money with the single map fights as I don't have the space for a double map battle.

I'm looking for number of units, number of turns and whether it uses a section of the map or the whole of a single map and just for the single map scenarios.

I know there are 9 single map scenarios but the reason I'm asking for more detail is I am not keen on playing 9 4 turn scenarios and I'm not wanting to play 9 scenarios that use a small section of one map...I know that's not the case, but I'm not sure of the specifics which is why I'm asking.

Thanks


Actually don't worry. I'm not "overly" bothered about playing the entire Gettysburg battle...I'd be happy playing some individual battles and I see the Blind Sword system (which I've heard a lot about) is used in both Longstreet Attacks and The Devil's to Pay...both of which I am interested in. So I may plump for one or both of them.

I would be interested in a game (or series of games) that play the Battle of Gettysburg out over 3 days in 3 games...are there any?

Also - whilst on the subject of the ACW - can I ask anyone here what ACW battles they like to play out?
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bob48 on February 21, 2023, 06:26:11 AM
The Blind Sword System, designed by Hermann Luttmann, is very good. Its also used in the Franco-Prussian War game 'At Any Cost - Metz 1870' and the earlier 'Duel of Eagles'. I seem to remember that Legion Games are working on a game of Solferino (1859) using the same system.
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: judgedredd on February 21, 2023, 04:55:15 PM
I've plumped for Longstreet Attacks  ;D

I'll pick up The Devil's to Pay next month  :doh:
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bob48 on February 21, 2023, 05:48:20 PM
In reply to your earlier question; I have always thought that Sharpsburg (or Antietam, depending on which side of the Mason-Dixie line you are on) is the most interesting of the 'Big Battles', as is Chickamauga.
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: besilarius on February 21, 2023, 06:51:17 PM
To my knowledge, t.here is no treatment in a game.  What could make a great game would be the campaigns of the Army of the Tennessee.
From Bragg's invasion of Kentucky, Perryville, Stones River, Tullahoma campaign, Chickamauga, Chattanooga, and the Atlanta campaign.
So many exciting moments that are ignored because of the foci on the East and on Grant.
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: judgedredd on February 22, 2023, 01:56:42 AM
To my knowledge, t.here is no treatment in a game.  What could make a great game would be the campaigns of the Army of the Tennessee.
From Bragg's invasion of Kentucky, Perryville, Stones River, Tullahoma campaign, Chickamauga, Chattanooga, and the Atlanta campaign.
So many exciting moments that are ignored because of the foci on the East and on Grant.
Grant wasn't at Gettysburg :party:
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bob48 on February 22, 2023, 06:11:32 AM
 :bigthumb:
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: besilarius on February 22, 2023, 11:16:08 AM
Are you sure?

Halleck wasn't happy with the choice of Meade.  Grant saved his bacon previously.  Did Old Brains quietly have Grant come east to bolster Meade?
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bob48 on February 22, 2023, 11:28:24 AM
Seems unlikely. At least, there has never been anything in any of the many books I've read to suggest that Grant was even present with the AoP at that point. He was in command of the Union forces at Vicksburg was he not?
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bayonetbrant on February 22, 2023, 11:35:44 AM
Seems unlikely. At least, there has never been anything in any of the many books I've read to suggest that Grant was even present with the AoP at that point. He was in command of the Union forces at Vicksburg was he not?


that's because that's what "they" want you to think!  :whistle:
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bob48 on February 22, 2023, 01:33:30 PM
'they' being, who, exactly?
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bayonetbrant on February 22, 2023, 01:35:28 PM
'they' being, who, exactly?

"them"
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bob48 on February 22, 2023, 02:43:44 PM
Oh well - that explains everything. :idiot2:
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bbmike on February 22, 2023, 05:50:15 PM
^Now you're going to find Cigarette Smoking Man sitting in your living room.
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bob48 on February 22, 2023, 06:21:15 PM
He'd better not be - we gave up the habit almost 10 years ago. >:(
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: Sir Slash on February 22, 2023, 11:05:35 PM
Grant wasn't at Gettysburg. But he and Meade were on their I-Pads to each other practically non-stop. Also Lincoln and Halleck were supposed to Face Time Meade but got Lee by mistake because they both were using the same password, which was, 'Hood'sNuts1863'. That's the reason both armies were going in the wrong direction, the South was in the north, and the North was in the south. Plus their GPS's weren't working because they had shitty plans and had no coverage. Both sides could've really used a better Tech Dept.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: judgedredd on February 23, 2023, 04:08:44 AM
They should've taken some "screen free" time on occasion. And Lincoln should've put them on the naughty step for using private chat
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: Sir Slash on February 23, 2023, 11:37:20 AM
I agree. Grant and I handle things similarly, get drunk, smoke a cigar, and don't answer your E-Mail.  :bigthumb:
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bob48 on February 23, 2023, 12:13:30 PM
And this was such a sensible thread when we started. ::)
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: BanzaiCat on February 23, 2023, 01:45:59 PM
"No thread survives first contact with the AD forum members" - Moltke the Elder, probably
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bayonetbrant on February 23, 2023, 02:31:05 PM
I would be interested in a game (or series of games) that play the Battle of Gettysburg out over 3 days in 3 games...are there any?

are you looking for "Game A covers day 1" and "Game B covers day 2" and "Game C covers day 3" ?

otherwise, if you want something that covers each day as it's own 'thing' then look into 3 Days of Gettysburg (aka 3DOG) that always feels like it's running in real time....


Also - whilst on the subject of the ACW - can I ask anyone here what ACW battles they like to play out?

That's outside my expertise, as I can't stand most ACW games, sorry :(


To my knowledge, t.here is no treatment in a game.  What could make a great game would be the campaigns of the Army of the Tennessee.
From Bragg's invasion of Kentucky, Perryville, Stones River, Tullahoma campaign, Chickamauga, Chattanooga, and the Atlanta campaign.
So many exciting moments that are ignored because of the foci on the East and on Grant.

would this scratch that itch?
https://mmpgamers.com/hood-strikes-north-p-92
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/301616/hood-strikes-north-tennessee-campaign-fall-1864

Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: TTC on February 23, 2023, 02:45:44 PM
All I can add to this thread is that I Kickstarted the newest copy of A Most Fearful Sacrifice. I tried my hardest to get the one FREE copy that they offered for the first backer, but despite my flashback to refreshing multiple devices trying to get Ticketmaster concert tickets circa 2008, I was the 4th or 5th backer.
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: judgedredd on February 23, 2023, 03:42:33 PM
I would be interested in a game (or series of games) that play the Battle of Gettysburg out over 3 days in 3 games...are there any?

are you looking for "Game A covers day 1" and "Game B covers day 2" and "Game C covers day 3" ?

otherwise, if you want something that covers each day as it's own 'thing' then look into 3 Days of Gettysburg (aka 3DOG) that always feels like it's running in real time....


Also - whilst on the subject of the ACW - can I ask anyone here what ACW battles they like to play out?

That's outside my expertise, as I can't stand most ACW games, sorry :(


To my knowledge, t.here is no treatment in a game.  What could make a great game would be the campaigns of the Army of the Tennessee.
From Bragg's invasion of Kentucky, Perryville, Stones River, Tullahoma campaign, Chickamauga, Chattanooga, and the Atlanta campaign.
So many exciting moments that are ignored because of the foci on the East and on Grant.

would this scratch that itch?
https://mmpgamers.com/hood-strikes-north-p-92
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/301616/hood-strikes-north-tennessee-campaign-fall-1864

I'll look at 3 Days off Gettysburg. I'll also have to have a look at HSN now  :notworthy:
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: Sir Slash on February 23, 2023, 04:08:24 PM
TOAW 4 Had some ACW campaigns/battles if computer games are your thing. They were highly rated in the old Armchair General mag if I recall correctly, though I never played them myself. That old system was a surprisingly good fit for a lot of different wars and time periods.
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: besilarius on February 23, 2023, 08:42:39 PM
Hood Strikes North slipped under the radar.  Thanks, will check it out.
I think the invasion of Kentucky would make a neat game.
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: judgedredd on February 24, 2023, 01:27:12 AM
And this was such a sensible thread when we started. ::)
Wasn't it  :silly:
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: Sir Slash on February 24, 2023, 12:06:54 PM
It's not my fault. The meds weren't on time. Again.  >:(
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bob48 on February 24, 2023, 12:09:34 PM
....if you ask me, the meds weren't on time about 3 years ago...................
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: Sir Slash on February 24, 2023, 11:04:29 PM
That was Electric Shock. Remember the blackouts? My least favorite was the Coldwater Immersions. My most favorite was the Warm Tapioca Baths. I've still got tapioca in my.....cabinets, kitchen cabinets. That's what I was thinking.  ::)   

Antietam was one of my favorite ACW battlefields I visited. It was so peaceful there compared with the massive blood-letting that occurred during the battle. Beautiful country really.
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bob48 on June 28, 2023, 09:44:16 AM
I see that the next game in the series is to be 'The Rock of Chickamauga'.
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: besilarius on June 28, 2023, 10:26:08 AM
That is an interesting battle.  It was going well for the north (pitting Bishop Polk versus George Thomas could only sound good to Braxton Bragg) until Rosecrans made a fatal mistake.
Not checking a report of a gap, he ordered another division to cover it.  This created a real gap.
I don't know if Longstreet discovered this gap and attacked, or if it was just happenstance he hit the right spot.
Since most accounts say the Yankees had set up breastworks, it would be interesting to see if the Rebs could punch through.
Title: Re: A Most Fearful Sacrifice
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 17, 2023, 02:30:34 PM
https://www.armchairdragoons.com/articles/unbox/unbox-fearfulsacrifice/

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