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Title: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Cyrano on July 21, 2019, 12:24:31 AM
So, after a lot of talk, &c., and even more drinking, we've decided to REBOOT Teugn-Hausen.

This is Black Powder 2.

Unfortunately, the mighty and mad SDR cannot join us.

This means we've got:

Barthheart
JasonPratt
Panzerde

Who will be the fourth?

WHO!!??
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: tuna on July 21, 2019, 09:47:38 AM
But SDR wants to shoot Mirth!
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: mirth on July 21, 2019, 10:29:41 AM
Everyone Wants to Shoot Mirth is my hot new sitcom
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Cyrano on July 21, 2019, 05:48:25 PM
I, again, confess my sins against rules...

https://kriegsspieler.blogspot.com/2019/07/damnation-black-powder-2-are-you-being.html (https://kriegsspieler.blogspot.com/2019/07/damnation-black-powder-2-are-you-being.html)

I fear Vance's head may esplode...



Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Barthheart on July 21, 2019, 07:57:04 PM
Oh sure, now I’ll have to go and purchase the rules as well just to keep you on the straight and narrow. It will be the only item I possess that will be even remotely Napoleonic.  :waiting:
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 21, 2019, 08:51:20 PM
You might still be able to get the 1st edition pdf for free.  They were giving it away a while back.
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 21, 2019, 08:54:36 PM
Should've checked before posting.  No longer available. :-[
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: mirth on July 21, 2019, 09:42:42 PM
I fear Vance's head may esplode...

Seems only fair since he's actively trying to destroy the universe.
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: JasonPratt on July 21, 2019, 10:08:23 PM
But SDR wants to shoot Mirth!

AHEM! --- that was me. Mirth would be replacing SDR.
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 21, 2019, 10:29:13 PM
Hey now...we're reasonable men here.  I think we can all agree that we want to shoot Mirth.

Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: bbmike on July 22, 2019, 08:02:02 AM
But SDR wants to shoot Mirth!

AHEM! --- that was me. Mirth would be replacing SDR.

Now, now. No one could replace SDR.
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 22, 2019, 08:26:40 AM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/459e7f968c1a73df002afd4773da06a7/tenor.gif?itemid=8720184)
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: bbmike on July 22, 2019, 08:33:05 AM
I stand corrected.  :bigthumb:
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: mirth on July 22, 2019, 09:40:50 AM
I think we can all agree that we want to shoot Mirth.

I am a consensus builder.
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: tuna on July 22, 2019, 10:47:03 PM
But SDR wants to shoot Mirth!

AHEM! --- that was me. Mirth would be replacing SDR.

I was quoting SDR at the end of the Video, he said he wanted to shoot Mirth
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Cyrano on July 25, 2019, 10:28:17 PM
So, I've still got game-start targeted for 1800 on Saturday.

Red -- You in?

This does, of course, require you to have TTS and the ability to communicate!

Not that we're all that lucid...
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Barthheart on July 26, 2019, 06:00:10 AM
Hour early?  ???
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Cyrano on July 26, 2019, 07:45:07 AM
Yes.  We discussed that.  You said you could make it. 

Dear Lord...
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: JasonPratt on July 26, 2019, 08:21:12 AM
I came home last night to discover that my aging Netgear transceiver had bit the dust.

I'm unsure if I can find a good one in time for tomorrow night; and I already know my Surface Pro (on which I'm writing) won't be able to handle TTS. Not multiplayer lag TTS anyway. ;)

I'll be looking around to see what I can do before Monday, but I figured I needed to update asap.  :'(
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Barthheart on July 26, 2019, 08:30:19 AM
Yes.  We discussed that.  You said you could make it. 

Dear Lord...

Sure I did... was I drunk?
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Cyrano on July 26, 2019, 12:16:26 PM
Yes.  We discussed that.  You said you could make it. 

Dear Lord...

Sure I did... was I drunk?

I try very hard to ignore questions I take to be rhetorical.

Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: panzerde on July 26, 2019, 11:54:55 PM
Sounding like we may be short Jason.
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 27, 2019, 12:15:15 AM
Sounding like we may be short Jason.


I thought Vance was the short one
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: JasonPratt on July 27, 2019, 05:31:36 PM
I will attempt to run some experiments on the Surface this afternoon, but I'm doubtful (having tried before). Especially since this module is so thick as to crash the server if we pick up too many troops at once!
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Barthheart on July 27, 2019, 07:01:21 PM
So.... are we doing this? Or did I get liquored up.. well as usual fer Saturday Night in the Nations Capitol... ???
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: tuna on July 27, 2019, 07:07:40 PM
Is your Airport busy?
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Barthheart on July 27, 2019, 07:09:13 PM
Ummm…. sometimes.....  ???
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 27, 2019, 08:06:56 PM
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Cyrano on July 28, 2019, 08:30:46 PM
Gimme 12 run-throughs and I'll get this thing yet.

Actually, last night was pretty crisp and moved very well.

An AAR, of a sort:

https://kriegsspieler.blogspot.com/2019/07/so-howd-we-do-teugn-hausen-revisited-aar.html (https://kriegsspieler.blogspot.com/2019/07/so-howd-we-do-teugn-hausen-revisited-aar.html)

Thanks to Vance and Doug.
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: JasonPratt on July 30, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
Interesting that despite implementing the movement rules better, the Austrians still aren't over the wooded pass yet after three hours of play. They look in better order, at least!
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Barthheart on July 30, 2019, 03:00:06 PM
But they are! I have a reserve gun battery already in the front line at the end.  :D

The real problem is going to be trying position all the new troops in such a small area.... was the real battlefield this "cramped"? It all being relative of course but are the north and south boundaries on the table real life restrictions?

Although, now that I think a bit, maybe yer supposed to push troops to the front, blast away until they nearly break then retire them and bring up "fresh" troops while yer commanders hang out at the rear reducing combat effects to get them ready to feed back into the front.... crap is this turning me into a Nappy freak?!?  :idiot2:
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: panzerde on July 31, 2019, 11:16:19 PM
But they are! I have a reserve gun battery already in the front line at the end.  :D

The real problem is going to be trying position all the new troops in such a small area.... was the real battlefield this "cramped"? It all being relative of course but are the north and south boundaries on the table real life restrictions?

Although, now that I think a bit, maybe yer supposed to push troops to the front, blast away until they nearly break then retire them and bring up "fresh" troops while yer commanders hang out at the rear reducing combat effects to get them ready to feed back into the front.... crap is this turning me into a Nappy freak?!?  :idiot2:

The battalions cover more frontage than I think they should in BP. Having said that the Austrians didn't historically move everyone to the front. There are villages south of the river that they garrisoned with a good part of those troops you are moving forward.

But yeah, you have it right. You really want to keep pretty significant reserves. As battalions get worn down, rotate them out and replace them with fresh battalions. At the point that the enemy seems to be running out of fresh battalions, then you hit him with your entire reserve to break him. It's an adage of Napoleonic warfare that "he who commits his reserve last wins the day."

And yes, you are getting addicted.  ;D
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Cyrano on August 16, 2019, 10:52:18 AM
There's that old saw about madness being doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

Every time I visit battlefields I am caught in the same cycle:

1.  I love miniatures.

2.  Miniatures are usually played on terrain.

3.  Whether the more academic difference between figure height and ground scale or the substantive matter of ground scale versus the terrain we depict on the tabletop, you can either do what most do and point out -- as Doug did during the video -- that the terrain is representational -- or you can tear your hair out, scream mightily, and swear off miniatures forever.

4.  I then return to #1.

Start here, although BP2 doesn't state its ground scale -- deliberately -- I believe there's a consensus out there that it's 1'' to 20 yards.

If that be so, our map is well too small.  I based it on a scenario I found on-line that seemed to work and I'm reasonably pleased with the outcome.  I will not lie, however, and I will be having a look at a significant expansion of its size.

One note as to something I now believe will every piece of me, though, the only way to do hills/slopes/&c., that are of military consequence correctly is to draw them or, if you're truly loony, create a purpose-built model.
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 16, 2019, 11:54:35 AM
if you're truly loony, create a purpose-built model.


"If" seems to indicate the possibility of another condition....
Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Cyrano on August 16, 2019, 01:12:18 PM

If that be so, our map is well too small.  I based it on a scenario I found on-line that seemed to work and I'm reasonably pleased with the outcome.  I will not lie, however, and I will be having a look at a significant expansion of its size.


I correct myself!  Assuming one is not including the action to the East -- which admittedly many do -- our table is very close indeed.

Title: Re: SNF -- July 27, 2019 -- RETURN to Teugn-Hausen
Post by: Barthheart on August 16, 2019, 04:23:26 PM

If that be so, our map is well too small.  I based it on a scenario I found on-line that seemed to work and I'm reasonably pleased with the outcome.  I will not lie, however, and I will be having a look at a significant expansion of its size.


I correct myself!  Assuming one is not including the action to the East -- which admittedly many do -- our table is very close indeed.

Rats! Was hoping for more maneuvering room...... :biggrin: