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judgedredd

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on: January 23, 2021, 03:12:17 PM
There is a problem with this game you know. A severe lack of Move/Fire counters.

I'm playing a pretty small scenario with not alot of impulses and I'm pretty low on them. Not out,  but a bigger scenario i could imagine running out.

I do have others in the other boxes...but that means raiding them and then having to remember what box they're all in

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Reply #1 on: January 23, 2021, 03:31:08 PM
And in fact I actually have ran out...with an impulse each.

Poor design imo...I mean,  I've only got 11 Fire/Move counters and there's 16 units  (not including officers and NCOs who are stacked with units)

I thought there might be spares in the addon boxes...but they didn't even have the decency to do that for you.

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Reply #2 on: January 23, 2021, 03:35:34 PM
That's why I invested in a bunch of 8mm plastic cubes like this:



Red for fired, yellow for moved, etc. I bought mine at Print & Play but I'm sure you can find them elsewhere online for cheap. Otherwise, you can use coins, buttons, whatever else.

Shame they don't provide enough of them though.

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Reply #3 on: January 23, 2021, 03:47:17 PM
I've got coloured discs I could use - but that ruins the aesthetics for me.

How much honestly would it have cost them per unit if they had put an additional counter sheet into the box? A couple of bucks? 5 bucks? The game's so popular it would still have sold.

Anyway - rant over. I'm going to go and try and not let it piss me off.  :tickedoff:

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Reply #4 on: January 23, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
And in fact I actually have ran out...with an impulse each.

Poor design imo...I mean,  I've only got 11 Fire/Move counters and there's 16 units  (not including officers and NCOs who are stacked with units)

I thought there might be spares in the addon boxes...but they didn't even have the decency to do that for you.

I guarantee those scenarios were all play tested in VASSAL where you can create all the markers you need just by copying and pasting and no one went back into the reconciliation against what's actually in the box.

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Reply #5 on: January 23, 2021, 03:55:03 PM
That's not really my point Brant.

I hate when they scrimp on shit like this. This game definitely needs more than 11 of those counters.

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Reply #6 on: January 23, 2021, 04:13:34 PM
That's not really my point Brant.

I hate when they scrimp on shit like this. This game definitely needs more than 11 of those counters.

I totally got your point.  You are absolutely right that it never should've shipped w/o enough markers to play!


I was merely offering my theory as to how it likely happened, given other places we've seen it also happen and why.

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Reply #7 on: January 23, 2021, 04:33:36 PM
FPG. TBP.

 Shortage of markers.

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Reply #8 on: January 23, 2021, 05:05:05 PM
That's not really my point Brant.

I hate when they scrimp on shit like this. This game definitely needs more than 11 of those counters.

I totally got your point.  You are absolutely right that it never should've shipped w/o enough markers to play!


I was merely offering my theory as to how it likely happened, given other places we've seen it also happen and why.
oic. Sorry - I thought you were suggesting I go to Vassal and print them off.

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Reply #9 on: January 23, 2021, 05:08:51 PM
oic. Sorry - I thought you were suggesting I go to Vassal and print them off.

Oh gawd, no.

That's sooooooooo not your responsibility.

I mean, you could do that, but the ideal solution would be for the publisher to do the right thing out the gate and ship the game with enough markers to play it.

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Reply #10 on: January 23, 2021, 05:09:07 PM
FPG. TBP.

 Shortage of markers.

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I am not savvy enough to know what those mean  :2funny:

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Reply #11 on: January 23, 2021, 05:12:22 PM
Anyway - it's still a cracking game.

I just watched a video on YT and the guy got so many little things wrong...it was one of those videos that turns out more problematic than helpful.

On the one hand you're happy someone took the time to do it - but on the other, you just think it'll confuse people.

I'm really enjoying it though. I'm going to finish this wee scenario to try and enforce the rules and then I think I'll do an AAR for it.

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Reply #12 on: January 23, 2021, 08:01:23 PM
And in fact I actually have ran out...with an impulse each.

Poor design imo...I mean,  I've only got 11 Fire/Move counters and there's 16 units  (not including officers and NCOs who are stacked with units)

I thought there might be spares in the addon boxes...but they didn't even have the decency to do that for you.

I guarantee those scenarios were all play tested in VASSAL where you can create all the markers you need just by copying and pasting and no one went back into the reconciliation against what's actually in the box.

Since I built the module for the first OST and there is no module for the second, I can say that that didn't happen.

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Reply #13 on: January 23, 2021, 08:50:09 PM
It's nice to hear that.  I've just seen a it happen a lot, and I'm not pointing fingers at any specific publisher, because I know of at least 3 different ones where it's happened.

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Reply #14 on: January 23, 2021, 10:17:40 PM
It's nice to hear that.  I've just seen a it happen a lot, and I'm not pointing fingers at any specific publisher, because I know of at least 3 different ones where it's happened.

Me too.  :bigthumb:

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