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Title: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on September 19, 2019, 01:59:32 PM
FAQ is here (https://www.totalwar.com/blog/a-total-war-saga-troy-faq/?utm_source=Total+War+Newsletter+GDPR+Consent&utm_campaign=e94f9adb85-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_09_18_11_22_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_94e55c10f9-e94f9adb85-63463485)









I have mixed feelings about this one.  I love that they're covering the period, but talk about "gods and monsters", especially the inclusion of mythical creatures in the unit rosters, is a big turn-off for me. 

I've wish-listed the game for now, but I think Troy will be a wait-and-see decision. 

Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Anguille on May 08, 2020, 08:46:04 AM
It's a period i really like. If i can play Hector, then i will buy it.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Undercovergeek on May 08, 2020, 10:04:42 AM

I have mixed feelings about this one.  I love that they're covering the period, but talk about "gods and monsters", especially the inclusion of mythical creatures in the unit rosters, is a big turn-off for me. 

I've wish-listed the game for now, but I think Troy will be a wait-and-see decision.

but........... surely youve seen 300? you know, with the real monsters
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: bob48 on May 08, 2020, 11:24:22 AM
Now there is another movie that I have never seen.  :)
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Undercovergeek on May 08, 2020, 03:25:51 PM
 ???
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Sir Slash on May 08, 2020, 03:59:25 PM
Bob, you are hereby sentenced to go back home ON YOUR SHIELD not with it. And no shield-sledding down hill.  :nope:
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: bob48 on May 08, 2020, 04:14:52 PM
No sliding on the shield?

.awww!
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: JasonPratt on May 08, 2020, 10:49:18 PM
TOTAL TROYHAMMER!!  :D :D :D

I accept the mythological points. No doubt there will be mods, if not even an actual mode, more directly historical.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on May 09, 2020, 05:12:06 AM
It's a period i really like. If i can play Hector, then i will buy it.

I think it's a safe bet that you'll be able to.  :)  And it's a period I'm interested in as well, so I know I'll end up getting the game regardless.  ::) 



Now there is another movie that I have never seen.  :)

I envy you.  I knew from the trailer it was going to be utter trash, but I was dragged to see it anyway.  Two hours of my life I'll never get back.  >:( 



TOTAL TROYHAMMER!!  :D :D :D

I accept the mythological points. No doubt there will be mods, if not even an actual mode, more directly historical.

I'm hoping so. 

Although I'll concede I've been somewhat mollified by one of the dev blogs, which specified that the "monster" units will really be more like berserker-style troops wearing various animal skins.  Still not ideal, but at least it's less ridiculous than what it initially sounded like they were planning. 

Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on June 02, 2020, 07:29:43 PM
A new trailer is up...along with an announcement that the game will be an Epic exclusive until August 2021.  :kling:   Guess I won't be getting this until next year. 


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/a-total-war-saga-troy-on-epic-games-store/




Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Anguille on June 03, 2020, 03:51:23 AM
I have plenty of games to play (among them Rome 2, Shogun 2 and Attila)....i can wait.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on June 03, 2020, 06:42:41 PM
I can wait as well.  But I don't have to like it. 
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on July 28, 2021, 04:10:40 AM
Holy crap.  CA/Sega has just released a ton of Troy-related news... 




Starting with the big one:  Troy is finally coming to Steam, with a release date of September 2. 

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-troy-steam-release-date-faq/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1099410/A_Total_War_Saga_TROY/



Also dropping on September 2 is a new Mythos DLC.  As the name indicates, Mythos ditches the historical aspects of the game, and instead fully embraces the fantastical elements of the ancient Greek world, adding beasts such as Cerberus and the Hydra. 

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-troy-mythos-release-date-faq/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1553061/A_Total_War_Saga_TROY__Mythos/






The bad news with all of this is that -- contrary to what CA had indicated a year ago -- anyone who owns the game on Epic will not be able to "transfer" their copy to Steam.  If you want to have Troy on Steam, you'll need to purchase it separately from your copy on the Epic store.  >:( 

As a sop to the players, CA is offering pre-order discounts (through their website) on three different editions: Standard Edition (the base game), Mythic Edition (base game + Mythos DLC), and Heroic Edition (base game, Mythos, Amazons, and Ajax & Diomedes DLC's). 



The good/interesting news is that Troy is getting a massive update that adds both full mythological *and* full historical campaign modes (ala Three Kingdoms), along with keeping the original "truth behind the myth" campaign mode.  This should address one of Troy's biggest criticisms, which is that it attempted -- unsuccessfully -- to cater to both historical and fantasy players. 

While I personally don't give two ***** about the mythological campaign mode (though I know many will be happy see it), I welcome the historical campaign.  It's precisely what I've wanted all along. 



(Now I just have to wait another year or three for the price to come down...) 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on July 28, 2021, 08:04:57 AM
That year went by pretty quick! I pre-ordered the Big Kahuna edition last night (with all DLC) because I will never buy anything on Epic and I am a gaming strumpet. I love the idea of turning mythology on and off, and what better period to do it in than this one!

The Troy era has never interested me, to be honest, but the way CA appears to have put this game together has moistened the old loins.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: besilarius on July 28, 2021, 08:51:58 AM
Old loins?
Do you have newer ones as well?
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on July 28, 2021, 12:15:59 PM
Sadly no :/
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: mcguire on July 28, 2021, 01:31:42 PM
Sadly no :/

Still...I think that's a little more information than we strictly needed.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on July 28, 2021, 03:12:49 PM
That year went by pretty quick! I pre-ordered the Big Kahuna edition last night (with all DLC) because I will never buy anything on Epic and I am a gaming strumpet. I love the idea of turning mythology on and off, and what better period to do it in than this one!

I'll admit that if CA had an edition that included everything, but minus the Mythos DLC, I'd probably order it.  I'm not going to purchase an edition that includes content I'm never going to use, however. 



The Troy era has never interested me, to be honest, but the way CA appears to have put this game together has moistened the old loins.

I've long been fascinated by the "Trojan War" (assuming it actually happened) and the ancient cultures associated with it (Mycenaean and "Achaeans"), though from more of a historical standpoint.  I was interested in -- though not overly impressed with -- how the initial game was presented, so this is indeed a welcome development. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Undercovergeek on July 28, 2021, 03:17:18 PM
Intrigued

I struggled the other day with 1212 without spells and dragons but I can adjust I reckon

What I’ve read about the mythological characters is you have to catch them first during missions and then ‘train’ them before they join your roster along with their followers - sounds great to me
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on July 28, 2021, 06:28:22 PM
I definitely like the mix of specific history and mythology.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Bison on July 28, 2021, 09:41:18 PM
I am pretty excited about this TW release. Really like the era and the fact the mythological creatures are being woven into it is really cool.

That being said it'll go on my wish list and wait for a sale.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on July 29, 2021, 03:06:21 AM
About the only mythological aspect of the I'm interested are the Amazons.  That's the one DLC I'm for sure planning to purchase (alongside the base game). 

Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Bison on July 29, 2021, 11:03:47 PM
I am hoping there is a Lesbos Army.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on July 30, 2021, 01:38:27 AM
The dream lives on... 

Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 30, 2021, 08:02:23 AM
I am hoping there is a Lesbos Army.

there are probably entire websites of that for you  :-*
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on August 12, 2021, 12:32:08 AM
CA talks details regarding the new historical mode/campaign coming next month.  (Not gonna lie; this is almost exactly what I was hoping to see.. :D ) 


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/troy-historical-mode/






The biggest changes for Historical Mode are: 

1.)  Heroes will now be accompanied by a bodyguard unit.  These can be swapped/upgraded as the game progresses. 

2.)  Mythic units -- and abilities -- will (unsurprisingly) be removed.  No more insta-healing, and more killing entire enemy units with one attack. 

3.)  The supply system is being replaced with a new feature, Administration, as players found the former to be frustratingly uneven and difficult to manage.  Administration is being added to all three campaign modes. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on August 12, 2021, 11:51:22 AM
Hmm I will have a hard time deciding which mode to play in first. I'm leaning towards 'myth mode' for something new and fancy.

I also get the very strong vibe that CA held back on a lot of these features on purpose until the Steam release.

Even though Epic users got the game for free, isn't all the fanfare, DLC and new features kind of a middle finger to Epic as a whole?
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on August 12, 2021, 02:51:19 PM
Hmm I will have a hard time deciding which mode to play in first. I'm leaning towards 'myth mode' for something new and fancy.

For me, it's an easy choice.  For whatever reason, the mythological mode holds no appeal for me; I've always wanted a more historical game.  (I"m very aware I'm in the minority in this regard.) 

But then, I still intend to get the Amazons DLC...  ::) 



I also get the very strong vibe that CA held back on a lot of these features on purpose until the Steam release.

Even though Epic users got the game for free, isn't all the fanfare, DLC and new features kind of a middle finger to Epic as a whole?

I don't think it's a middle finger to Epic, so much as CA recognizing they were going to need to have an incentive for fans to purchase the game (again?) once it became available on Steam. 

Adding in separate historical and mythological modes (ala Three Kingdoms) was the obvious way to go -- especially since I'm willing to bet their own metrics showed that the original, middle way ("The Truth Behind the Myth" campaign) satisfied almost no one. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Undercovergeek on August 12, 2021, 03:12:41 PM
I haven’t read anything about mythical but I’m hoping I’m taking the minataur, Medusa, cyclops maybe the hydra
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on August 12, 2021, 03:24:32 PM
I'm still slightly bitter about the Epic release. I wonder if CA will ever do that again and if it worked for them the way they hoped it would.

Cyclops FTW!
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on August 17, 2021, 07:19:32 PM
Well he's not Cyclops, but perhaps something better.  8)  Even I have to admit, this was well done. 





Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on August 17, 2021, 08:16:46 PM
Holy dogsh*t...literally. Maybe I will play the Mythos version first.

I do really appreciate that CA is taking what they learned from WH and is applying it to other games now.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: thecommandtent on August 17, 2021, 08:27:42 PM
That was pretty cool
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Sir Slash on August 17, 2021, 11:30:14 PM
Maybe a really, really big Squeaky Toy? No, wait, 3 really, really big Squeaky Toys.  :hehe:
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on August 18, 2021, 12:01:00 AM
Yeah.  I kept forgetting to post videos of the previous monsters in MYTHOS, but the art team has clearly done one hell of a job. 




I do really appreciate that CA is taking what they learned from WH and Thrones of Britannia and is applying it to other games now.

FTFY.  ;) 

Not that the Warhammer games haven't had a major influence on subsequent titles, and I agree they're the better for it overall.  But the experimenting CA did in Thrones has paid dividends as well, even if most of the fan-base remains ignorant of that fact (sometimes willfully, it seems). 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Undercovergeek on August 18, 2021, 08:34:28 AM
I’ve seen shots of the doggo, hydra, cyclops, a Griffin so far

I don’t know if he’s part of the mythical bit but watched a let’s play with a guy using Achilles as a one man army
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on August 18, 2021, 09:10:31 AM
Haven't seen the Cyclops video yet, I'm thinking it's probably epic, eh?
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 18, 2021, 09:19:50 AM
Haven't seen the Cyclops video yet, I'm thinking it's probably epic, eh?

You should definitely keep an eye out for it
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Undercovergeek on August 18, 2021, 09:34:21 AM
Haven't seen the Cyclops video yet, I'm thinking it's probably epic, eh?

You should definitely keep an eye out for it

No no no no no

Off you fk to the silly pun thread with that shit  😩
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: bbmike on August 18, 2021, 10:24:16 AM
UC, no need to lash out.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Sir Slash on August 18, 2021, 10:25:33 AM
Damn Brant, I wish I'd said that.  :applause:
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on August 18, 2021, 11:23:07 AM
 :nerd:
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on August 18, 2021, 11:26:46 AM
I don’t know if he’s part of the mythical bit but watched a let’s play with a guy using Achilles as a one man army

Achilles is pretty much a one-man army even in the original mode, so I imagine he's the same (if not more so) in the mythological mode as well. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: bbmike on August 18, 2021, 12:30:07 PM
Wow, my attempt to start another pun run really fell flat.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 18, 2021, 01:02:40 PM
Wow, my attempt to start another pun run really fell flat.

people are paying attention to other discussions, and only keeping one eye on this thread
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Undercovergeek on August 18, 2021, 02:41:02 PM
 :nope:
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 18, 2021, 03:12:36 PM
:nope:

Methinks we are not seeing eye-to-eye on this
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Sir Slash on August 18, 2021, 11:02:28 PM
We can't lose sight of the original subject of this thread, which was....I forget. Do you ever wonder whether old Cyclops wear a really big monocle to read with or just regular glasses and shift side to side?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Bison on August 18, 2021, 11:08:15 PM
He qualified for 50% off Lasik eye surgery.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on August 19, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
Not gonna lie, this genuinely made me laugh out loud: 





Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 19, 2021, 04:22:32 PM
Do you ever wonder whether old Cyclops wear a really big monocle to read with or just regular glasses and shift side to side?  :biggrin:


Does a cyclops blink?  Or wink?
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Sir Slash on August 19, 2021, 11:18:45 PM
Don't know but I bet the term, 'Sleeping with one eye open' means nothing to him. Was Popeye a Cyclops or was that an, 'opening a can of Spinach' accident?  ???
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on August 20, 2021, 09:02:39 AM
Popeye had not time to deal with Cyclops' bs.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Sir Slash on August 20, 2021, 12:50:34 PM
I hear he likes a little Olive Oil with his Spinach.  ::)
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on August 20, 2021, 03:04:59 PM
hawt
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on August 31, 2021, 11:10:45 PM
Patch notes are up for the pending 1.6 update, which includes the new Historical mode.  Update is dropping September 2nd, alongside the MYTHOS DLC.  Whoot!  :D 


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/troy-patch-160-notes-mythos/





Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on September 01, 2021, 09:54:07 AM
Hahaha it's "buff o'clock" -  I can see more than a few people thinking the above is a bit too snarkariffic, but I admit I giggled.

Release tomorrow! As a wise man once said: 'GIG UH TEE'
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on September 02, 2021, 12:34:36 AM
^  Yeah, I laughed at the patch notes narrator as well.  He was pretty funny. 



Incidentally, I'll admit this is a pretty good trailer.  If anything were going to tempt me to play the MYTHOS campaign, this would probably do it: 





I also caved and picked up the Heroic Edition.  That flash sale on Fanatical was too good to pass up, dammit.  :-[ 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on September 02, 2021, 10:23:49 AM
Yes...let the money flow!
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on September 02, 2021, 10:58:22 AM
Downloading/installing now! 

Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on September 02, 2021, 11:19:04 AM
I just did too, while dealing with storm damage and doing a few things for work. Gotta keep priorities!
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Bison on September 02, 2021, 04:39:30 PM
I blew through a good portion of my annual gaming budget on LotR minis. This one will wait in my dreams for a major sale unfortunately.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on September 03, 2021, 05:14:24 AM
Started a campaign in the historical mode as Hector.  It looks good so far. 

My most immediate, specific impression is that figuring out the economy in Troy is going to take a little getting used to, what with needing to manage multiple resources: food, wood, stone, gold, and bronze.  Fortunately, I play Stellaris, so I'm not wholly unprepared.  :biggrin: 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on September 03, 2021, 09:04:52 AM
I poked around it a little bit yesterday too. It is uber-slick...but that is coming from someone who plays Attila: TW and Medieval 2 more than any of the others, so I am still living in the dim past. Still haven't touched Three Kingdoms!

I have never been interested in the Troy era but now I am. I know it is centuries before Persia became a threat to the Greeks, but is there some other faction here that is the 'big evil menace' a la Persia, the Huns or the Mongols in other games?

Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on September 03, 2021, 11:40:33 AM
I poked around it a little bit yesterday too. It is uber-slick...but that is coming from someone who plays Attila: TW and Medieval 2 more than any of the others, so I am still living in the dim past. Still haven't touched Three Kingdoms!

Yeah, the game looks good, and -- importantly for me, at least -- it sounds good too.  I don't remember who's doing the soundtracks for the TW franchise these days, but I'm loving the music in Troy. 


You definitely need to check out Three Kingdoms at some point.  I'll be fairly astonished if you don't dig it. 



I have never been interested in the Troy era but now I am. I know it is centuries before Persia became a threat to the Greeks, but is there some other faction here that is the 'big evil menace' a la Persia, the Huns or the Mongols in other games?

If you mean like a massive "crisis"-style invasion in-game, I don't believe there is one, no. 

The nearest major power back then was the Hittite Empire over in Anatolia, but they didn't seem to have much direct interest in the Aegean.  They were more concerned with the Egyptians at the time, and (to a lesser extent) the Babylonians. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on September 03, 2021, 02:58:24 PM
^Thanks Martok. The soundtrack is really being pushed by CA...you can buy it on CD or vinyl! I haven't heard it yet but I am expecting a lot of stringed instruments.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on September 08, 2021, 02:01:44 PM
While again it's not my bag, I can sort of see the appeal for those diving into the MYTHOS campaign. 







Incidentally, I played a bit more Troy earlier today.  I'm probably just delusional, but I feel like I'm starting to get at least a marginal handle on what I'm doing now.  Perhaps more pertinently, I'm beginning to enjoy myself. 


I know not everyone is going to love it, but I'm starting to dig the multiple-resource economy, and how it forces you to really plan/budget carefully when it comes to recruiting troops and constructing buildings, as well as how it can factor into your diplomatic dealings.  There's a sense of genuinely beneficial mutual trade with other factions for different resources, such as actually existed in the late Bronze Age (though it's obviously simplified and on a far smaller scale in-game).  Score some definite points for atmosphere/immersion. 

I also feel compelled to add how happy I am with the diplomacy model (which CA pretty much lifted wholesale from 3KTW), as you now see a numerical representation of how happy/unhappy a faction is with your current proposal.  The addition of the "make this work" button to the diplomacy screen is a godsend as well.  I realize taking the guesswork out of diplomatic negoatiations is hilariously unrealistic, but it's a huge QoL improvement in terms of gameplay.  I sincerely hope this remains the model for all Total War games going forward. 


Anyway, those are my thoughts/impressions thus far.  Am planning to dive back in later this evening. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on September 08, 2021, 04:02:37 PM
^The monsters and their dynamics look awesome - better than anything in the WH games, to me at least. This will get me playing sooner...
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on September 09, 2021, 08:15:13 PM
The devs talk about the Divine Will mechanic, and how it was revamped for MYTHOS: 


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/troy-divine-will-system-tutorial/




More specifically, those playing the new mythic campaign will have access to "Divine Boons", special army abilities granted directly by whichever gods your faction worships.  You can only employ one Boon per battle, but they can be pretty powerful. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on September 09, 2021, 08:50:05 PM
Very cool mechanic.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Bison on October 31, 2021, 03:23:14 PM
How does everyone feel about the game now that the hype train has left the station?
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on October 31, 2021, 04:08:29 PM
Haven't fired it up yet :/
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on November 02, 2021, 02:54:53 AM
My TL;DR recommendation:  Get it, but wait for a sale. 


Of course, I only have several hours in the game so far (my potato doesn't run it very well), and I've only played -- and only ever *will* play -- the historical campaign.  So you probably want to take my comments with at least a grain of salt.  That having been said, I've generally liked what I've seen thus far. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on December 01, 2021, 05:43:39 PM
Rhesus & Memnon are coming to Troy's defense: 



https://store.steampowered.com/app/1553060/A_Total_War_Saga_TROY__Rhesus__Memnon/

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-troy-rhesus-memnon-faq/







In addition, the accompanying free update will add new features such as Island Trading, Settlement Abandonment, and Auto-resolve Predictions (like what was added to WH2) -- all features that will be very welcome to players (including myself). 




As for the pending DLC, I'm mostly happy about it, though I do have some mixed feelings... 


On the one hand, I'm genuinely glad to see CA still supporting and making DLC for Troy.  Just as importantly, both of these Lords/Heroes are accurate to the "lore" (they have fairly significant roles in Homer's epic). 

On the other hand, it seems an odd choice to add more Trojan Heroes/factions, when -- by pretty much all accounts -- the existing Trojan factions already make out far better than their Achaean (Greek) counterparts on average.  This new DLC appears to merely stack the deck further in their favor, whilst making things more difficult for the Greeks.  Hopefully CA has plans to balance this out in some fashion. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on December 01, 2021, 08:37:19 PM
The Ethiopians were a power that far back?? Wow.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on December 01, 2021, 10:31:16 PM
Interesting; according to Cody, this is going to be the final DLC for Troy.  (And given he's one of CA's "affiliates", he would likely know.)  I really hope this doesn't mean the end of the game's development, as otherwise it would imply it's going to be left massively imbalanced in favor of the Trojan factions. 







The Ethiopians were a power that far back?? Wow.

I'm not sure how true that really is, to be honest.  Information on them during the Bronze Age seems to be rather thin. 

In the game, Memnon is a vassal of the Pharaoh, which would imply the Aethiopians (or at least those who followed Memnon) *weren't* a major power at the time.  Knowing CA, however, I'm guessing they more or less made that up, albeit having based the decision on some obscure reference/source of information they came across.  (CA does seem to do a fair bit of research into their subject matter, even if it's not exactly rigorous.)  So whether or not Aethiopia really was a vassal state of Egypt back then, or a powerful nation in its own right, remains anyone's guess. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on December 02, 2021, 11:22:59 AM
Interesting...I wouldn't be totally shocked either way. You know what they say...don't F with Ethiopia. They've been saying that a long time I suppose.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on December 02, 2021, 02:47:54 PM
^  Indeed. 




Another video/trailer.  This one dishes out a bit more detail on Rhesus & Memnon, as well as some of the new features coming in the accompanying free update. 






I suspect Memnon is going to be a particularly interesting challenge to play.  Not only is he a Horde faction, but he appears to be reliant (at least to a degree) on reinforcements from the Pharaoh.  Reminds me a bit of the Mongols in the Warlord Edition of the original Shogun: Total War. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on December 07, 2021, 02:53:44 AM
He seems pretty badass overall.  Hopefully he lasts long enough to actually get into the fighting this time.  ;D 





Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on December 07, 2021, 04:44:10 PM
It's going to be interesting to see how he does as a horde faction, although I do like how CA has implemented them in Troy. 





Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on December 09, 2021, 09:41:33 PM
Not gonna lie, Memnon is looking pretty dope.  His campaign mechanics are looking pretty decent too. 





Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on December 10, 2021, 04:40:06 PM
This is probably my favorite trailer so far... 







I have to say, though, that all this is starting to make me hungry for a full-on Bronze Age: Total War.  I think CA really needs to get on that.  :D 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Bison on December 11, 2021, 10:06:19 PM
They really seem to be dropping development and support for their titles much sooner than they did in the past.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on December 12, 2021, 04:29:56 PM
True. At least a few of the TW games get long term support from community modding, though.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on December 12, 2021, 10:24:11 PM
They really seem to be dropping development and support for their titles much sooner than they did in the past.

Oh, definitely.  CA stated they were ending support for Three Kingdoms barely two years after it was released -- and by most indications, it was still doing well in pretty much every metric.  Then in the past two weeks, they also announced the end of support for both Troy (a game released only a year ago, and doing well enough to warrant multiple DLC's) and Rome: Remastered, a game released barely six months ago. 

By pretty much all appearances, the Warhammer series is the only one that's going to receive any sort of long-term support from CA.  I don't know what variables all factored into that decision, but it has me concerned either way. 




True. At least a few of the TW games get long term support from community modding, though.

Yes.  However, I think CA has become too reliant on that fact. 

Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Bison on December 13, 2021, 01:03:01 AM
I am sure Warhammer is a cash cow compared to most of the historical games they have released recently. They need to go back to Medieval Total War and follow it up with a new Rome Total War. The Saga's are great IMO which cover some really interesting periods but they just seem to come up short most times. They should just release them as mega expansions to a larger game.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on December 13, 2021, 10:54:28 AM
^That's how they started, with Fall of the Samurai, before actually re-branding it a 'saga.'
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on December 13, 2021, 11:52:15 PM
Patch notes for the update/FLC dropping alongside the Rhesus/Memnon release tomorrow: 


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-troy-patch-170-notes-rhesus-memnon/






it looks like a good list.  I'm honestly pretty impressed by all the new features, improvements, fixes, etc. 

If this really is to be the last major update for Troy, at least CA doesn't appear to be skimping on it. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on December 14, 2021, 03:27:08 PM
Now that the Rhesus & Memnon DLC has dropped, CA has also announced an "Ultimate" edition for Troy as well. 


https://store.troy.totalwar.com/en/editions




Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Bison on December 14, 2021, 07:31:41 PM
Well, I guess I know which edition I will now be waiting for to go on sale.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on December 14, 2021, 08:21:31 PM
The Ultimate Edition is already on sale for $62.97 ($104.95 is the normal price).  I'd be fairly surprised (sadly) if the price gets much better than that, although you could perhaps try Is There Any Deal (https://isthereanydeal.com/). 


Hmm.  I do see you can get the Utlimate version on Fanatical for $52.47.  That is right about half-off. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on December 14, 2021, 09:25:02 PM
Slightly confused. Just fired up the game and both Rhesus and Memnon were available for me to select...but Steam says I do not own the new DLC...?
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on December 14, 2021, 09:29:30 PM
Never mind I see they are selectable and then I have to purchase. My bad.

This game is uber-slick, I must say. If they every did a Saga based on say, Bismarck...that would be off the hook.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on April 06, 2022, 05:45:20 PM
Necro-ing this as I am finally about to start a Troy campaign. What do recommend as far as factions and the whole history v. myth thang? For relevance I know nothing about the Trojan War - I bought a book to learn while playing.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on April 07, 2022, 12:07:06 AM
While I've only really played historical mode myself, by most accounts, the Trojans have an easier time of it overall, regardless of whether you're playing in historical or mythological mode.  (They're typically better at working together than the Greeks are.)  If you want more of a challenge, then the Greek factions are where you want to start. 


Of the Trojan factions, Hector is probably the easiest to play as, though I don't think any of them are particularly difficult.  The one exception is Paris; his campaign is widely regarded as a real PITA. 

If you choose to play as the Greeks, Agamemnon or Menelaus are probably your best bet.  The campaigns for Achilles and (especially) Odysseus are apparently pretty tough. 


Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: bayonetbrant on April 07, 2022, 06:21:52 AM
For relevance I know nothing about the Trojan War - I bought a book to learn while playing.

if that's the case, then you should watch the movie Troy for the hot babes and the rare Sean-Bean-as-a-good-guy appearance, and not for the 'historical' storyline
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Undercovergeek on April 07, 2022, 06:40:14 AM
And he doesn’t die 😳😳😳
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on April 07, 2022, 07:38:41 AM
Yep the movie Troy is on my list - I think there’s a Netflix series too - Troy, Fall of a City.

I’m looking at Agamemnon for my first playthrough and then maybe the Ethiopian dude once I have some idea what’s going on…even though I really don’t know how Ethiopia toes into all this.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on May 23, 2022, 04:44:45 PM
I lied I chose Ajax. I'm only a couple of turns in. And two episodes in to Troy: Fall of a City. Enjoying both.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on May 23, 2022, 11:16:39 PM
Troy is a great film.  I liked how the director tried to ground the story in reality and show how the exploits of the characters led to them becoming legendary, mythical heroes over time.

I'd also recommend reading A Song of Troy by Colleen McCullough.  Good piece of historical fiction that provided me with much better knowledge about the Trojan War.
Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Martok on May 24, 2022, 02:25:45 AM
I lied I chose Ajax. I'm only a couple of turns in. And two episodes in to Troy: Fall of a City. Enjoying both.

I always forget about Ajax.  Glad you're having fun with him so far. 




Troy is a great film.  I liked how the director tried to ground the story in reality and show how the exploits of the characters led to them becoming legendary, mythical heroes over time.

Agreed.  I know Troy gets a fair amount of hate from some quarters, but I always really enjoyed it.  The cast they assembled for the film was incredible. 



I'd also recommend reading A Song of Troy by Colleen McCullough.  Good piece of historical fiction that provided me with much better knowledge about the Trojan War.


I keep meaning to check out more of her work.  I enjoyed The First Man in Rome; she does a good job of bringing both the characters and that world to life. 

Title: Re: TROY: A Total War Saga
Post by: Gusington on May 24, 2022, 06:21:49 AM
Another movie that gets hate that I’ve never seen but have cued up to watch soon is Alexander.