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Reply #945 on: June 15, 2020, 10:12:22 PM

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Reply #946 on: June 16, 2020, 04:59:29 PM
Just flew over the house.  Two picture's of the same plane.

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Reply #947 on: June 16, 2020, 05:06:56 PM
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Reply #948 on: June 16, 2020, 05:18:35 PM
Yep. 

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Reply #949 on: June 16, 2020, 11:27:47 PM
Whatcha doing there OJ'sDad that's got them keeping tabs on you? Are you trying to build that Death Ray again? That thing NEVER gets old.  :go-on:

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Reply #950 on: June 18, 2020, 03:36:52 PM

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Reply #951 on: June 21, 2020, 04:07:07 PM
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USS Philippine Sea (CV 47) transits the Panama Canal while carrying six R4D Skytrains to set up an Antarctic base for Operation Highjump, 1946






https://cgaviationhistory.org/1946-operation-high-jump/

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Reply #952 on: June 21, 2020, 04:08:37 PM
Good picture  :bigthumb:

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Reply #953 on: June 21, 2020, 05:14:24 PM
Yeah! Makes you appreciate how hard it was to get all those B-25s onto the smaller USS Hornet and still have room to launch them.

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Reply #954 on: June 21, 2020, 05:16:49 PM
Good point - how the heck did they do that, and land them on again.

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Reply #955 on: June 21, 2020, 05:24:04 PM
The B-25s never had to land on the carrier. They either crashed or landed on mainland Asia.

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Reply #956 on: June 21, 2020, 05:24:53 PM
Ah, right - I didn't know that.


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Reply #957 on: June 21, 2020, 06:32:16 PM
The B-25s never had to land on the carrier. They either crashed or landed on mainland Asia.

Yes, they were supposed to launch much closer to Japan and have plenty of fuel to make it to unoccupied China but the task force spotted a suspected Japanese picket boat and couldn't risk being reported so the decision was made to go early, right at the 'estimated extreme range' on the Mitchells (which had almost anything removable done away with to save weight and add extra tanks). The hope was that the 'estimate' would turn out to be on the conservative side. For some planes it was... for others, not so much.

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Reply #958 on: June 21, 2020, 06:37:15 PM
The B-25s never had to land on the carrier. They either crashed or landed on mainland Asia.

Yes, they were supposed to launch much closer to Japan and have plenty of fuel to make it to unoccupied China but the task force spotted a suspected Japanese picket boat and couldn't risk being reported so the decision was made to go early, right at the 'estimated extreme range' on the Mitchells (which had almost anything removable done away with to save weight and add extra tanks). The hope was that the 'estimate' would turn out to be on the conservative side. For some planes it was... for others, not so much.

I don't think there was ever a plan for the bombers to return to Hornet. I doubt carrier landings were even feasible for B-25s. They weren't entirely sure about takeoffs working, especially for the first bombers on the shortened flight deck.

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Reply #959 on: June 21, 2020, 08:20:21 PM
It was always supposed to be a one way trip. It wasn't feasible to get close enough to Japan to make it the half-way point and China was just a little further on so a better option. Had they been able to launch at the half way point then I'd guess that the planes would return to land on deck one at a time and then be quickly pitched overboard to clear the deck for the next one.

IIRC, there was an early option to have the Mitchells turn south after striking Tokyo so the crews could bail out near waiting subs but this was shelved as too risky to the subs to stay in a fixed area within Japanese controlled water that long. Also, the risk of interception by the Imperial Japanese fighters would be much greater since the Mitchells would be flying close to the Home islands much longer.

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