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Title: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Doctor Quest on September 10, 2022, 05:11:45 PM
The is my latest project, the Mandalorian's Amban phase-pulse blaster. This thing is a beast. Not only is it big, it has a fairly complicated paint scheme. It is a 3D printed Esty kit. There are more expensive kits that are sturdier but I really just wanted a display model and I went for a cheaper, more fragile kit. One of the better kits actually has hollow parts that cover an aluminum tube for better structural integrity. Prop replicas are an interesting business and you can end up spend A LOT OF MONEY on "hero" versions. On the other hand you can find reasonably priced knock-offs that can be repainted to look pretty good.

It was a lot of fun to work on and I won't claim it's perfect. I could probably do some more weathering (and I still may) but I wanted to move on to my next project and I think it looks at least acceptable.

I'll leave it at that. Nothing is more boring that listening to someone talk about an obscure hobby.  :idiot2:



Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on September 10, 2022, 08:00:49 PM
A disintegration rifle?  Are you trying to get raided by the Bureau of Alcohol, Deathsitcks, and Blasters? 
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 10, 2022, 08:07:29 PM
I'll leave it at that. Nothing is more boring that listening to someone talk about an obscure hobby.  :idiot2:


Dude.  This is not your first time here.  You know better  :hug:
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: thecommandtent on September 10, 2022, 09:31:57 PM
Very cool!
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Doctor Quest on September 10, 2022, 10:10:08 PM
Next project...........

Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Martok on September 11, 2022, 04:22:57 AM
Very cool, Doctor Quest!  :notworthy: 


Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Bison on September 12, 2022, 02:31:07 PM
1:1 is impressive! A very cool hobby. I would like to an “AAR” of how you do the process from assembly and painting.
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Doctor Quest on September 12, 2022, 02:45:23 PM
Thanks, guys!

Tell you what....Let's walk through the Captain Mal pistol together. It will be a little bit as I just ordered the kit and it needs to be cast and shipped. Stay tuned.

Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Doctor Quest on January 05, 2023, 04:28:44 PM
Captain Mal's pistol replica part 1

My cast resin replica of Captain Mal’s pistol finally arrived. Time for the unboxing. This was purchased from a small company called Arsenal Replica Models who sells through another small company called Hanzo Swords. An interesting place to browse around. www.hanzoswords.com.

I have purchased several Arsenal models and to be honest I am not sure they are the quality I would expect for the price. This pistol was marked down considerably so I went for it. My other sources for models are Etsy and various toy distributors which have started doing more adult scale “toys” specifically for cosplay. Prices for prop replicas, especially on Etsy, can vary a lot depending on the level of finishing done by the vendor. Etsy is where I got my Mandalorian pulse rifle and handgun. Both were 3D printed kits requiring a good bit of assembly and finishing but they were more reasonably priced.

The model came in a decent box with a good illustration of the finished product on the outside. The model consists of the pistol and two odd looking thingies that I eventually figured out were the thumbscrews that are attached just below where the barrel enters the body of the firearm. We’ll get to those later. There is a sheet of very general “how to work on a resin model” instructions but no specific instructions on this model. It is simple enough you really don’t need any.

At first glance the pistol is not as good a cast as I’ve gotten from other vendors. There is some clean up and sanding that will need to be done. It looks very much to scale. There are some casting flaws here and there but with a little TLC I think it will be a decent replica. The grips are well defined and the “screws” holding the grips on are well molded. The biggest effort is going to be the end of the barrel which is flat on the end without any bore. That is probably the first thing I will tackle.
The next part of any replica build is finding some good reference photos. Yay, internet! I found several excellent photos to work with for colors, finish and the barrel detail I need.


Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Doctor Quest on January 05, 2023, 04:30:41 PM
Captain Mal pistol replica part 2

I will start by drilling out the barrel and inserting a tube for a more realistic look. I dug through my collection of old pens and markers until I found one that looks to be the right size. Drilling the barrel will require some care and patience. I generally start by finding the center of the barrel and making a starting hole with my trusty Exacto knife. Drilling resin can be problematic as it will melt with too much heat. I found that a good compromise was to put the drill bits in a vice-grip tool and drill by hand. It takes a little time but gets the job done. I start with the smallest drill bit and work myself up to the required size in stages, trying my best to drill straight into the barrel. Starting small and working up in size makes this easier. I am only going to drill in about an inch or so. Once it is painted black on the inside of the barrel it should look good enough.

Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Doctor Quest on January 05, 2023, 04:33:03 PM
Captain Mal pistol replica part 3

Now I am ready to prime. I really like using Rustoleum products. A lot of the colors come in a 2X formula which is a primer/paint combo. Unfortunately they don’t have a bronze color in that formulation so I will start with a regular gray primer. I am going to do several coats which will help cover some of the casting imperfections.

Now I need to come up with a painting plan. I will use five colors of paint. Black for the barrel bore and dry brush weathering of the “metal” parts, a dark brown for the grips with a rust color used for the dry brush weathering of the grips, a gunmetal for the “silver” bits and gold/bronze for the majority of the model. The entire model will be over coated in clear satin finish which seems to be the right amount of consistent glossiness for most weapon models. I usually do three or four coats of clear finish which also helps protect the paint job.

The final step was to upgrade the two “thumbscrew” parts to real thumbscrews. I picked up a couple of properly sized thumbscrews at Home Depot and used an old automatic pencil tube for the shafts. They don’t look identical to the reference photo I was using but they look a lot better than the cast resin parts. Sometimes you need to scratch build.

Here is the finished model. Given the base model casting issues I am pleased with the results. It will look just fine on the wall or a shelf. I would not use it for any close-up “hero” shots with Capt. Mal  :bigthumb:

Next project: A 3D printed model of Obi-Wan Kenobi’s blaster. Stay tuned.

Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Bison on January 05, 2023, 07:13:08 PM
Very interesting read. Thanks for sharing. Do you mount the model for display or just as is?
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Doctor Quest on January 05, 2023, 08:28:28 PM
Thanks, Bison...

Most of the models are simply displayed on a shelf, leaning against the wall. My Mandalorian firearms are mounted to the wall using fancy coat hooks. I've thought about getting some wooden plaques for some of the better models and attaching them to the plaque and then to the wall maybe with nameplates. We'll see.....
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Staggerwing on January 05, 2023, 10:02:17 PM
Doc, that looks great!
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: judgedredd on January 06, 2023, 03:34:23 AM
Hold the phone - are you saying the top pic is an illustration of the item (the box cover) and the second pic is a pic of the actual product? Man - if that's the case, there's some seriously flawed rules in America regarding advertising
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: judgedredd on January 06, 2023, 03:34:48 AM
Excellent finish though - well done Doc
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: GROGnadsUSA on January 06, 2023, 04:41:56 AM
I'll leave it at that. Nothing is more boring that listening to someone talk about an obscure hobby.  :idiot2:


Dude.  This is not your first time here.  You know better
  :hug:
Hoi as the 'Chinese SKS' of mine does have its 'Bayonet' AND "200"-rounds-capacity 'Bandoleer'-! I wanted to get a 'Chinese Sword/Swagger-stick' and 'Officer's Cap'
(http://gunsamerica.com/userimages/112/929705046/wm_3229729.jpg)
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Staggerwing on January 06, 2023, 06:25:32 AM
I can't recall any of the characters in 'Firefly' brandishing an SKS, be it Chinese, Yugo, or otherwise.
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Bison on January 06, 2023, 06:58:00 AM
I suspect the box cover was painted in a different style than Dr. Quest chose to do on his model. It's not false advertising. You see the same thing with miniatures for example. The miniatures painted on a box are often different from how a hobbyist will paint them. Many factors like color choice, skill, art style, etc..are at play.
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Doctor Quest on January 06, 2023, 09:52:50 AM
^Yes, it is a lot like the "serving suggestion" text on food packages. No, you are not buying an entire salad, you are only buying the salad dressing.

To be honest I don't know where the box photo came from. That is part of the problem with this hobby. You don't always find consistent photographs of the props to use as examples. Part of THAT problem is that real prop shops will produce a variety of the same prop depending on its use. Extremely detailed "hero" props for close ups to cheap rubber props for stunt work, extras and long shots. They may not all be finished the same way if they are finished at all.

I saw a stunt prop used by Harrison Ford that looked like crap sell for a lot of money simply because it could be authenticated as a real Star Wars production prop. Go figure.
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: GROGnadsUSA on January 06, 2023, 08:39:41 PM
I can't recall any of the characters in 'Firefly' brandishing an SKS, be it Chinese, Yugo, or otherwise.
Hoi again as the 'Firearm Contraption' that "Steve McQueen" holstered in "Wanted: Dead or Alive" was initially designed by the 'artiste': Kenny “Von Dutch” Howard--the "Flying Eyeball" dude-! They wanted a 'Gun' very different/distinguished from any others, in order to 'provide' BEST "coolness -factor" of the main character-! They had '3'-versions, in fact, for usages of differing purpose, as the current 'Episode' might demand/entail.
(https://www.americanrifleman.org/media/zcpjbxcg/hacker-maresleg-2.jpg)

Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Staggerwing on January 06, 2023, 09:25:39 PM
Not sure how we got from SKS to here but that there's a Henry 'Mare's Leg', also carried by the Firefly character Zoe. You can actually buy one in different calibers:

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/mares-leg/

(https://www.henryusa.com/wp-content/uploads/rifles/mares-leg-hero-2019-scaled.jpg)

Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Doctor Quest on January 06, 2023, 09:43:54 PM
Here is a good guide to the various "Firefly" weapons.

https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Firefly

Most of them are unmodified "real" firearms. Captain Mal's pistol and Jayne's Le Mat pistol are probably the most heavily modified. They all seem to use cartridge type ammunition. They are not plasma or "energy" weapons.
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Staggerwing on January 06, 2023, 09:48:00 PM
^ I just spent the last 20 minutes at that site after googling pix for the Mare's Leg. Talk about rabbit holes... lots and lots of movie firearms stuff.  :o
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Doctor Quest on January 06, 2023, 09:52:06 PM
Tell me about it. Where do you think I do most of my prop research?   :nerd:
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Staggerwing on January 06, 2023, 10:09:31 PM
Brant might be interested in this one:

http://www.hanzoswords.com/Warehouse-13-Tesla-Gun_p_3568.html

Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Doctor Quest on January 06, 2023, 10:31:02 PM
^HA!

I could also spend most of my retirement doing Jo's weapon collection from "Eureka".
Title: Re: Doctor Quest's Prop Shop
Post by: Staggerwing on January 06, 2023, 10:37:38 PM
"Eureka".

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