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Title: Oldest fort in america found
Post by: besilarius on February 04, 2021, 05:29:15 PM
https://news.umich.edu/oldest-european-fort-in-the-inland-us-discovered-in-appalachians/

Did not know that the spanish got to western North Carolina.
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Post by: bbmike on February 04, 2021, 05:48:18 PM
Huh, that is interesting. Especially the part about the gold.
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Post by: mcguire on February 04, 2021, 06:58:02 PM
I didn't think the Mississippians still existed when Europeans reached their territory.

Oh, and in the "feel good" category (or at least "feel better than some other fool"):

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Pardo led a second expedition from September 1, 1567 to March 2, 1568, and explored the Piedmont interior and south along the Appalachian Mountains. He established an additional five forts to the west of Joara, intended to supply a land route to Zacatecas in present-day Mexico, where the Spanish had silver mines they wanted to protect. The Spanish mistakenly thought the Appalachians were connected to a central Mexican mountain range.
-- Juan Pardo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Pardo_(explorer)#New_World_exploration)

That's about 1600 miles as the crow flies (or the Spanish soldier swims---it crosses the Gulf).

I wonder if Jim had anything to do....Nope. Not going there. No way.
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Post by: Martok on February 05, 2021, 04:20:22 AM
Fascinating stuff!  I had no idea the Spanish had a presence that deep into the interior. 

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Post by: judgedredd on February 05, 2021, 05:42:31 AM
lol - 1567 - that's not history!

There's a castle in Colchester that was built in 1076AD and that was built on the ruins of the Roman Temple of Claudius that was raised to the ground by Boudica in 60AD or something

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Claudius,_Colchester#Boudican_revolt_and_aftermath

Sorry - I'm suitably impressed  ;)
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Post by: bob48 on February 05, 2021, 06:27:28 AM
For a sense of really old, you should walk around Housesteads;


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Post by: BanzaiCat on February 05, 2021, 09:28:18 AM
Was gonna say:

The U.S.: "Our oldest fort is about 450 years old!"

The UK: "Isn't that cute"
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Post by: judgedredd on February 05, 2021, 09:44:39 AM
lol  :hehe:
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Post by: bayonetbrant on February 05, 2021, 09:49:04 AM
I was looking for a YouTube clip of the Eddie is your routine where he's talking about "I'm from Europe, where the history comes from..." But they've got damn near every other snippet from the Dress to Kill special except that one
Title: Re: Oldest fort in america found
Post by: Sir Slash on February 05, 2021, 11:30:47 AM
Got to stick-up for the U.S. here. The fort in St. Augustine, Fl. is probably the oldest in the continental U.S. and.....WAS NEVER TAKEN IN BATTLE.  :bringit:
Title: Re: Oldest fort in america found
Post by: bbmike on February 05, 2021, 11:49:38 AM
That's because no one wanted St. Augustine, FL.  :hehe:
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Post by: Sir Slash on February 05, 2021, 11:39:50 PM
I would've said it differently. Everybody wanted St. Augustine except for whoever owned it.
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Post by: bbmike on February 06, 2021, 08:28:48 AM
I think the mosquitos owned it.  8)
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Post by: thecommandtent on February 06, 2021, 01:40:51 PM
I think the mosquitos owned it.  8)

This
Title: Re: Oldest fort in america found
Post by: Sir Slash on February 07, 2021, 12:32:25 AM
They still have a lease.  :biggrin: