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The Reference Desk => Organizations, Vehicles, Equipment => Topic started by: mirth on September 04, 2018, 03:31:07 PM
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HMS Queen Elizabeth seen from the cockpit of HMS Monmouth's Wildcat helicopter
(https://i.imgur.com/Y2iTJA5.jpg)
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https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/japans-new-guided-missile-destroyer-to-be-fitted-with-sm-6-interceptor-missile/
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1037060284127633408
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Belgian special forces disembark from a Norwegian Ula-class submarine
(https://i.imgur.com/r52o4Ek.jpg)
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German Type XVIIB Submarine is lifted from the water by a large floating crane, at Bremerhaven, Germany, August 11, 1945.
(https://i.imgur.com/fu2zI83.jpg)
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Japanese battlecruiser Hiei, guns trained to port and elevated; Sasebo, Japan, June 1926
(https://i.redd.it/odt33hc7i3k11.jpg)
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Royal Navy Type 45 Destroyers HMS Daring (D32) & HMS Diamond (D34) & RFA Mounts Bay at HM Naval Base, Gibraltar
(https://i.imgur.com/NngBe1G.jpg)
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Orizzonte class destroyer Andrea Doria (D553) of the Italian Navy
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5614/15586846519_7c77fa51b7_o.jpg)
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Japanese aircraft carrier Ryūjō during sea trials in the Inland Sea, September 6, 1934
(https://i.imgur.com/bTFybj6.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/moVk6T4
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Fleet review off New York, 31 May 1934. Battleship closest to camera is USS New York (BB-34)
(https://i.redd.it/10usfcfkbgk11.jpg)
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The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force destroyer JS Kurama (DDH 144), left, leads the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyers USS Gridley (DDG 101) and USS Stockdale (DDG 106) during a passing exercise
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5244/5348752595_3874e6c660_o.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/Aviation_Intel/status/1037842546137812992
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Astute class submarine HMS Ambush
(https://i.imgur.com/uVo5x1e.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/RoyalNavy/status/1037739712017047553
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Ammiragli class destroyer Francesco Mimbelli (D561) of the talian Navy, at dusk
(http://www.marina.difesa.it/sites/AMC1/SiteCollectionImages/55a4d190-b578-4f2f-bc53-a05cadbdb3a7/0fc38404-0180-4aac-ab6e-393d49fb6b97DSC_1370.jpg)
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Good selection there, Mirthie..............if I didn't know better, I'd say you've been saving 'em up :-)
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Good selection there, Mirthie..............if I didn't know better, I'd say you've been saving 'em up :-)
:bigthumb:
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Italian AVV7 return to the LPD San Giorgio (L9892)
(http://www.marina.difesa.it/sites/AMC1/SiteCollectionImages/931c4be5-6f74-45a9-a19a-a0ca1025b96c/10ea3252-ab9d-4f10-96ac-f0474a681a4cgallery%204.jpg)
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I guess the Spanish are going to continue operating Harriers until at least 2025.
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https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1039208311353032705
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I guess the Spanish are going to continue operating Harriers until at least 2025.
It would seem so.
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1039234570816823296
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HMS Trenchant (S 91) surfaces in the Beaufort Sea during Ice Exercise (ICEX) 2018
(http://navylive.dodlive.mil/files/2018/03/180311-N-LY160-399.jpg)
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Battlecuiser HMS Renown with aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal and cruiser HMS Sheffield (C24) as part of Force H
(https://i.redd.it/777u1ymtwfl11.jpg)
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Russian battleship Oryol after the Battle of Tsushima, 1905
(https://i.redd.it/bgiskinxlel11.jpg)
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That is a great picture - I've not seen that one before!
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1039310054946689024
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https://twitter.com/CcibChris/status/1039205030019178497
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Personnel transfer from USS Missouri to USS Iowa, unknown location and date
(https://i.redd.it/bdlm330noll11.jpg)
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Russian battleship Oryol after the Battle of Tsushima, 1905
(https://i.redd.it/bgiskinxlel11.jpg)
Pretty sure that if that's after Tsushima that ship is no longer a Russian battleship. It's now the Iwami ;)
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Russian battleship Oryol after the Battle of Tsushima, 1905
(https://i.redd.it/bgiskinxlel11.jpg)
Pretty sure that if that's after Tsushima that ship is no longer a {i]Russian battleship. It's now the Iwami ;)
you are correct, sir.
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I guess the Spanish are going to continue operating Harriers until at least 2025.
It would seem so.
If it ain't broke...
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HMAS Sydney (A214), converted to troop transport, on her way to Vung Tau, Vietnam in June 1965, escorted by HMAS Duchess (D154) and HMAS Supply (AO 195)
(https://i.redd.it/t49vyb5cksl11.jpg)
http://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-sydney-iii-part-2
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HMS Nelson seen in front of some R-class battleships, with a Blackburn Shark Seaplane flying overhead.
(https://i.redd.it/rrmvnir2vtl11.jpg)
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Japan's new Aegis destroyers - the Maya Class. Pictured is the 1st of a 2 ship class.
(https://i.redd.it/vfx0in7d6tl11.jpg)
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Crew on deck of HMAS Ovens, one of six Oberon Class diesel electric patrol submarines built for the Royal Australian Navy.
(https://i.redd.it/5eij9g6butl11.jpg)
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Norfolk Navy Base in 1941 shows a Grumman J2F Duck is being hoisted and two F4F Wildcats waiting to be hoisted aboard the Ranger (CV-4). Across the pier is the Wyoming (AG-17)
(https://i.imgur.com/TD3t8pM.jpg)
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USS Indiana (BB-58) under construction at Newport News Shipbuilding, 1941
(https://i.redd.it/jtjdituwkml11.jpg)
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Japanese Fubuki-class destroyers of the Third Torpedo Squadron sailing in Tokyo Bay, September 11, 1931
(https://i.redd.it/bb9gx004cnl11.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1039979055972401153
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Valiant shield 2014. 4 US Navy Ticonderoga class cruisers
(https://i.redd.it/h2vmtcsmpwl11.jpg)
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Ram ship USS Katahdin (so called harbor-defense ram) in the forefront and armored cruisers USS Minneapolis and USS Columbia in the background. League Island Navy Yard, Philadelphia, 1908.
(https://i.redd.it/zn46a5ol30m11.jpg)
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"Ram ship" ? ???
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But you could only use them in USB ports.
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But you could only use them in USB ports.
clever :2funny:
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I surprise myself sometimes :-))
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The Gemini 3 spacecraft alongside USS Intrepid (CV-11), 23 March 1965
(https://i.imgur.com/BiAiVI0.jpg)
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That's cool... that was 2 days before I was born.
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^yer old
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Yer catching up.... :2funny:
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that's not funny
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But it is... 'cause it's true. :peace:
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Will you kids stop bickering!
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Sorry, pops!
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1040314324701642752
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"Ram ship" ? ???
HMS Thunderchild was also a Ram ship.
(https://media.moddb.com/cache/images/groups/1/3/2103/thumb_620x2000/Thunder_Child.jpg)
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I believe a ship must have more than 16GB of RAM to be considered a Ram ship. ::)
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USS North Carolina (BB-55) in heavy seas, Philippines, December 12th 1944
(https://i.redd.it/2wpq6y7xo4m11.jpg)
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USS Hornet (CVS-12) chasing down the Apollo 11 capsule, containing Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, and Mike Collins
(https://i.imgur.com/xn5PdHi.jpg)
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Eight Fairey Firefly FR.1 and seven Hawker Sea Fury FB.11 overfly the Royal Australian Navy aricraft carrier HMAS Sydney (R17) in 1949.
(https://i.imgur.com/llbydUe.jpg)
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Undated, maneuvers by the USS Philip (DD-76), USS Aaron Ward (DD-132) and USS Greer (DD-145)
(https://i.imgur.com/sEMkJWo.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1040631432765423616
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HMS Queen Elizabeth photographed shortly after the completion of her last major rebuild. Just about the only thing that remained the same from the previous rebuild were the guns. Note the iconic Forth Bridge in the background.
(https://i.imgur.com/19S74.jpg)
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USS South Dakota (BB-57) and USS Alabama (BB-60), 1943, with the British Home Fleet in the Atlantic
(https://i.imgur.com/tzdQheR.jpg)
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https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2018/09/17/the-us-navy-is-going-to-need-a-bigger-boat-and-its-getting-ready-to-buy-one/
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https://twitter.com/LeBrunJames81/status/1041564844728758272
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Stern view of Japanese carrier Akagi, deck loaded with Mitsubishi B1M & B2M biplane torpedo bombers; off Osaka, Japan, 15 October 1934
(https://i.redd.it/me71y79c0tm11.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/Aviation_Intel/status/1041765991758221312
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I bet that wasn't cheap!
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Japanese light aircraft carrier Zuihō viewed from the aircraft carrier Shōkaku during operations in the South Pacific after the Battle of the Eastern Solomons, September 10-23, 1942
(https://i.redd.it/00gwwsr4wym11.jpg)
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HMS Glorious at anchor, 1935; the doors to the lower hangar deck are open.
(https://i.imgur.com/AsOsUls.jpg)
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HMS Queen Elizabeth skirting Hurricane Florence shortly before entering naval station Norfolk. Crown copyright 2018.
(https://i.redd.it/iczrlynz33n11.jpg)
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Whirlwinds fly off HMS Eagle late 1950s, before her rebuild
(https://i.redd.it/ze7l2qrgl7n11.jpg)
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I love those old carriers :2thumbs:
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The guns of the USS Oklahoma (BB-37) emerging from the depths in March of 1943, 16 months after her capsizing during the Pearl Harbor Raid.
(https://i.imgur.com/mzZ91zr.jpg)
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That is a very sombre picture.
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Japanese battleship Yamato nearing completion at the fitting-out pier at Kure Naval Yard, September 20, 1941
(https://i.redd.it/h6b918a1hdn11.jpg)
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Italian midget submarine at Sevastopol, Crimea, circa 1942
(https://i.redd.it/zida0mdg7fn11.jpg)
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Italian midget submarine at Sevastopol, Crimea, circa 1942
(https://i.redd.it/zida0mdg7fn11.jpg)
FTFY
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fixed what now?
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Revisionist! :bsmeter:
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German U-boats anchored at Kiel, 17 February 1914
(https://i.redd.it/jec3fuf78en11.jpg)
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Aft view of USS Arizona (BB-39) and other ships of the US Pacific Fleet in the 1930's.
(https://i.imgur.com/YrU4E53.jpg)
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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-ship-fought-world-war-ii-and-against-great-britain-decades-later-31717
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https://twitter.com/Aviation_Intel/status/1043627369813041153
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Japanese aircraft carrier Zuikaku with heavy cruisers (from left) Chikuma, Tone and Haguro, forward deployed to Brown Island, Eniwetok Atoll, September 20-23, 1943
(https://i.redd.it/xrx9ug12ann11.jpg)
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Two U-boats aground near Falmouth, England in 1921. The boat nearer to the camera is UB-86 a type UB-III. These boats were on the way to the breakers, notice no deck guns and periscopes.
(https://i.imgur.com/e7AwjK8.jpg)
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The Italian submarine Domenico Millelire in the 1970s, spending her last days as a floating latex depot for Pirelli. Built in 1925-1928, she was the last survivor of the 156 submarines fielded by the Regia Marina during World War II.
(https://i.redd.it/7kr46uisxyn11.jpg)
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How very odd...and......Italian!
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Japanese helicopter destroyer JS Izumo (DDH-183)
(https://i.imgur.com/1OZVLFB.jpg)
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HMS Queen Elizabeth
(https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Hurricane-Lighting-HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-Westlant-18.jpg)
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Japanese helicopter destroyer JS Izumo (DDH-183)
(https://i.imgur.com/1OZVLFB.jpg)
Does that little sign on the side of the island say 'My other helicopter is an F-35' in kanji script?
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^ ;D
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PLAN Type 09-IV SSBN
(https://i.redd.it/ph5h9ywsx0o11.jpg)
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USS Ticonderoga (CV-14) listing after a kamikaze attack on Jan 21, 1945.
(https://i.imgur.com/IZWPOPv.jpg)
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At sea. USS Cotten (DD-669) comes alongside USS Sanborn (APA-193), a Haskell-class attack transport, ca. 1945. At this point of the Pacific War, Cotten provided fire support/scouting duties for the Iwo Jima operation. Original 35mm Kodachrome transparency.
(https://i.redd.it/bve29bgd22o11.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/HWkZKSh.png)
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The German light cruiser SMS Rostock. She was commissioned in 1914 and scuttled at the Battle of Jutland on 1 June 1916. (From Illustrated London News, 10 June 1916, page 739)
(https://i.imgur.com/G9kjACz.jpg)
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Some good pictures there, Mirth. :bigthumb:
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Ships bow HMS Nelson
(https://scontent.fyyc2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42325017_2117088651889505_5687904191721242624_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&oh=c87d5cf6174660ef15646f33a07bdcf3&oe=5C2F95BE)
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Some good pictures there, Mirth. :bigthumb:
I do try to find the good ones ;)
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I always thought that the Rodney and the Nelson were magnificent looking ships.
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I always thought that the Rodney and the Nelson were magnificent looking ships.
+1 That forecastle on the Nelsons is impressive.
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I always thought that the Rodney and the Nelson were magnificent looking ships.
+1 That forecastle on the Nelsons is impressive.
The Dolly Parton effect, all assets facing the target.
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Docks at Brest, France, late 19th century
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3888/15332288615_39e453604b_o.jpg)
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Docks at Brest, France, late 19th century
Was that a subconscious progression?
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I have no idea what you mean 8)
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French protected cruiser Châteaurenault
(https://i.redd.it/hm9cb8aowln11.jpg)
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I always thought that the Rodney and the Nelson were magnificent looking ships.
+1 That forecastle on the Nelsons is impressive.
The Dolly Parton effect, all assets facing the target.
ROFL - yeah, 9 x 16" - quite a blast!
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U-776 in the Thames river arrives at Westminster during a post-war UK tour, May 1945.
(https://i.redd.it/nmwmitwh67o11.jpg)
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US Navy blimp K-125 operations aboard USS Sicily (CVE-118) during maneuvers in the Caribbean. As the blimp descends, the flight deck crewmen take hold of the handling lines and bring her to rest on the flight deck, April 6, 1949.
(https://i.redd.it/sdz1weu814o11.jpg)
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Good picture! When did those thing go out of service?
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They kept the K-Class around into the 50s.
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Excellent. I tend to follow modern airship developments, there are some interesting projects around.
This being one of them.
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Yeah, the USN still plays with them.
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Looking at some of those older black and white photos, or paintings for the ships pre photo, I really wish there had been color photography then.
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I have seen pictures 'colourised' with various degrees of success, but if all old b&w photo's are suitable or not I have no idea.
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The colorization is a mixed bag. I've seen some convincing renditions and a lot of junk. I tend to avoid posting colorized pics unless they are very well done.
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USS Hancock (CVA-19) and USS Ticonderoga (CVA-14) steaming together. Both CVA's operated together during various times off Vietnam between 1964 and 1969. As there are mostly Vought aircraft on deck of Ticonderoga, this likely dates the photo to August 1969.
(https://i.redd.it/ce94ijnpdeo11.jpg)
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Austro-Hungarian scout cruiser Saida
(https://i.redd.it/7swkg8vjdeo11.jpg)
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HMS Queen Elizabeth stern view while she was the flagship of the Mediterranean Fleet. Her ensign is lowered to half mast for the funeral of the Duke of Connaught
(https://i.redd.it/hiyrxbxmnko11.jpg)
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Forward Torpedo Room, U-505. Museum of Science and Industry, Chicago.
(https://i.redd.it/8y5n9lyw1ko11.jpg)
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IJN armored cruiser Azuma visiting Australia in 1910.
(https://i.imgur.com/GPIwZhw.jpg)
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Italian FREMM class frigate, Alpino (F594), before being put at sea.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/l0b2VfhaTufKDuKXyAjMSQsaTWqZdmP1ORms1rJ4lxE.jpg?s=097acb686327387c16fe98880fbd0cf1)
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Heavy cruiser USS Portland (CA-33) circa 1944.
(https://i.redd.it/a2nrdifcjmo11.jpg)
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Australian Collins class submarines
(http://www.lemarin.fr/sites/default/files/2015/03/26/collins.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1045289511801036801
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Pre-Commissioning Unit (PCU) Indiana (SSN-789) stands out of Norfolk for Alpha Sea Trials off Port Canaveral.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/jHZ_0tmxOMNHTBjqcw4KTlgTevBI7jvoXf469-MLKSo.jpg?s=157e2545c684031ea199f1caf91db9c4)
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https://twitter.com/CcibChris/status/1045280775925575681
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First photos of Kazan SSGN (K-561, Yasen-M class) underway during sea trials in Severodvinsk, September 2018
(https://i.redd.it/h1y9q1hkyro11.jpg)
(https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/5952915/5952915_original.jpg)
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Yard workers are seen salvaging the guns from turrets #3 and #4 of the USS Arizona (BB-39), February, 1942 for use as shore emplacements.
(https://i.imgur.com/mhkXhsT.jpg)
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Coaling protected cruiser HMS Charybdis at H.M. Dockyard, Halifax, Canada, c. 1901-02.
(https://i.imgur.com/cuNiHXT.jpg)
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https://www.pnj.com/story/news/military/2018/09/17/uss-nimitz-deck-greet-visitors-national-naval-aviation-museum/1295359002/
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U-858 anchored in Cape Henlopen, Del. in May 1945. Officer w/ megaphone on her conning tower is LCDR. Willard D. Michael.
(https://i.imgur.com/6gbtB3y.jpg)
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Kongō in drydock during her extensive modernization and conversion from battlecruiser to battleship, Yokosuka, Japan, 1930.
(https://i.redd.it/qjh8994hhep11.jpg)
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23939/my-observations-and-questions-after-finally-seeing-f-35bs-operate-from-hms-queen-elizabeth
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U-858 anchored in Cape Henlopen, Del. in May 1945. Officer w/ megaphone on her conning tower is LCDR. Willard D. Michael.
(https://i.imgur.com/6gbtB3y.jpg)
With a Sikorsky R4 Hoverfly and K-class Blimp in the picture no less. :bigthumb:
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What a great picture - and thanks for the additional info, Stagger :bigthumb:
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Notice the shadow the blimp casts on the breakwater or shoreline in the background. Those K-class were pretty darn big.
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Yep - I wouldn't have noticed that, so thanks for pointing it out.
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USS Portland (CA-33) in a drydock at the Cockatoo Island Dockyard, Sydney, Australia, circa in late December 1942.
(https://i.imgur.com/kwxGjzz.jpg)
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USS Pensacola (CA-24) alongside the repair ship USS Vestal (AR-4), undergoing repair of torpedo damage received during the Battle of Tassafaronga, off Guadalcanal. Note the hole in her side below the mainmast. Dec 17, 1942
(https://i.imgur.com/BMGedYL.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/PortsmouthProud/status/1046703943806521344
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British Town Class destroyer Stanley I73 (former Clemson Class destroyer McCalla DD-253)
(https://i.redd.it/qg6hbhi46lp11.jpg)
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Balao-class submarine USS Razorback (SS-394) next to River-class frigate HMCS Antigonish (K661)
(https://i.redd.it/w1igare5jlp11.jpg)
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Survivors from the Imperial German Navy SMS Gneisenau in the sea awaiting rescue by the HMS Inflexible. Battle of the Falklands, WW1, Dec, 1914
(https://i.redd.it/akcoux2slyp11.jpg)
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Kentucky BB-6 after modernization
(https://i.redd.it/1q3v39o8mtp11.jpg)
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The pre-dreadnoughts USS Alabama (BB-8), Illinois (BB-7), and Maine (BB-10) in the Canal Zone, 1915
(https://i.redd.it/8mmp9bav4op11.jpg)
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Kentucky BB-6 after modernization
(https://i.redd.it/1q3v39o8mtp11.jpg)
"modernization"
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Kentucky BB-6 after modernization
(https://i.redd.it/1q3v39o8mtp11.jpg)
"modernization"
Dontcha love it? It's yesteryear's wickerworks version of Aegis.
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I hate the look of those wickerwork thingies - looks like someone tried to crochet a battleship.
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I hate the look of those wickerwork thingies - looks like someone tried to crochet a battleship.
+1 Cage masts are hideous looking.
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Starboard bow view of the USS Little Rock (CLG-4) steaming into Norfolk in the mid-1960s.
(https://i.redd.it/zflzqgv5y5q11.jpg)
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That one has a wee bit of wickerworkiness going on too. Must have got the urge to kick it vintage-style.
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USS Huntington (CA-5) sports dazzle camouflage as she lies at anchor in a European port following a convoy escort mission across the Atlantic in 1918
(https://i.redd.it/mg5i3x1v7dq11.jpg)
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Is there a ship in that pic? ???
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The 3rd Battle Squadron in Malta, 1917. From left to right, HMS Hindustan, HMS Africa, HMS Hibernia and lead ship of the class these ships belonged to, HMS King Edward VII
(https://i.redd.it/iva8lyz867q11.jpg)
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The lead ship of her class of protected cruisers, the last class of ships of that type built for the German Imperial Navy, SMS Victoria Louise.
(https://i.redd.it/akex0y6eujq11.jpg)
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Originally build for the Ottoman Navy but seized by the Royal Navy at the start of WW1, a top down view of HMS Erin showing her heavy broadside of 13.5-inch guns.
(https://i.redd.it/oflv0uohdeq11.jpg)
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I hadn't heard of it before, so i looked it up as 13.5" guns seemed a strange calibre.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Erin
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She also has that weird British sunken middle turret that can't fire directly over the rear ones.
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Yes, that midships turret is a bit weird.
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Took everyone a while to figure out turret layouts.
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(https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/ab35259c3d11964a4e2ced1975360de2wtmk.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=920)
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HMS Vanguard(23) in Rotterdam, June 1952
(https://i.imgur.com/ULKQE1p.jpg)
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USS Pawcatuck (AO-108) refueling USS Valley Forge (CVS-45) and USS Eaton (DDE-510), 18 June 1959
(https://i.redd.it/34p50vxs9rq11.jpg)
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Austro-Hungarian pre-dreadnought SMS Babenberg in 1914.
(https://i.imgur.com/rg26c0K.jpg)
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Vietnamese Navy ship HQ275, during a passage exercise (PASSEX)
(https://i.redd.it/x6xao88gouq11.jpg)
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USS Marblehead (CL-12) in San Diego harbor, on 10 January 1935.
(https://i.imgur.com/pLOCnoa.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/at_RIN/status/1048898301129572352
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This is very interesting. I would have thought that there would have been more activity around the Med and Black Sea, unless its just not shown on that one.
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This is a helluva pic
USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) approaches the USS Arizona (BB-39) Memorial and the battleship USS Missouri (BB-63) as she enters Pearl Harbour.
(https://i.redd.it/ikdv0d1cczq11.jpg)
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What a great picture :bigthumb:
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Gunfire and torpedo damage assessment of the USS Quincy (CA-39) following her loss at the Battle of Savo Island on August 9, 1942.
(https://i.redd.it/7iyf2ovmn5r11.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1049690973729640448
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24139/uss-desert-ship-sits-in-a-sea-of-sand-and-launched-the-navy-to-the-forefront-of-missile-tech
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A former US Coast Guard Hamilton-class cutter in service with the Vietnam Coast Guard
(https://i.imgur.com/WveXZ0m.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1050038388408094723
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Two Austro-Hungarian river monitors of the Danube Flotilla, in 1916. The closer vessel is a Körös Kovess class monitor, while the other appears to be one of the ‘Sava’-class.
(https://i.redd.it/zo37ebf95ar11.jpg)
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Japanese aircraft carrier Hiyo undergoing tests of an experimental foam fire extinguisher system at Yokosuka, October 7, 1943
(https://i.redd.it/g1j6xvor97r11.jpg)
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Russian Yasen-class submarine K-560 Severodvinsk, 14 February 2018
(https://i.redd.it/ffw00vige6r11.jpg)
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Inside the USS Yorktown hangar, late 1943. Ordnancemen prepare bombs and planes while a briefing takes place in the background
(https://i.redd.it/0n9ivxnk0yq11.jpg)
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24155/vital-logistics-ships-will-be-without-critical-u-s-navy-escorts-in-a-major-conflict
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24155/vital-logistics-ships-will-be-without-critical-u-s-navy-escorts-in-a-major-conflict
(http://www.aarcentral.com/pics/rvp.gif)
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https://twitter.com/MilHistNow/status/1050351638714753024
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USS Kansas (BB-21) in Brest, France in 1919; USS New Hampshire (BB-25) (left) and USS Connecticut (BB-18) (right) are visible in the distance
(https://i.imgur.com/ljwptJx.jpg)
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(https://i.imgflip.com/jsbee.jpg)
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Japanese heavy cruiser Kako at the Yokosuka Naval Review celebrating the 2600th Anniversary of the Founding of the Empire of Japan, October 11, 1940
(https://i.redd.it/ghutv1hkpir11.jpg)
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Indian Rajput-class destroyer INS Rana (D52) visiting Jeju Island, South Korea for International Fleet Review
(https://i.imgur.com/betzCOk.jpg)
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Imperial Russian dreadnought Poltava at full steam in 1916.
(https://i.imgur.com/V61zP6L.jpg)
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This should work out great
https://twitter.com/SamBendett/status/1050367486527442944
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French battleship Richelieu arrives in New York with her damaged turret; the uppermost fire control director on the fore tower had to be dismantled for her to pass under the Brooklyn Bridge, 1943
(https://i.redd.it/zh6evy8w2kr11.jpg)
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USS Washington (BB-56) looking sharp in MS22 Camo during a peacetime midshipman's cruise in 1946.
(https://i.redd.it/0z7n264cvjr11.jpg)
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Japanese Navy off Tsingtao, China (ships left to right are: Akagi, Kirishima, Kongo, Mikuma, Ryujo, Kumano and Fuso), 25 March 1938
(https://i.redd.it/qguh73bxwqs11.jpg)
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What an interesting picture :bigthumb:
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https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1053070530868215808
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USS ARLEIGH BURKE (DDG-51) underway in rough seas
(https://i.imgur.com/iog5qGB.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/CavasShips/status/1053313966611591169
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What does "CVW" stand for...?
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What does "CVW" stand for...?
Carrier Air Wing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_Air_Wing_Eight
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Thanks. I thought it was referring to the other ship in the picture.....
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Thanks. I thought it was referring to the other ship in the picture.....
USN acronyms are a little weird, but CVW kinda makes sense when you think about it.
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As in "a CV Nuclear with it's CV Wing'"
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https://twitter.com/Erikhistorian/status/1053436951196590080
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That's some proud wickerworks!
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More cage mast goodness
Greek dreadnought Kilkis, formerly the USS Mississippi
(https://i.imgur.com/zBVD4j7.jpg)
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USS New York (BB-34) pitching into heavy seas while en route from Casablanca on convoy escort duty, March 1943
(https://i.redd.it/imecp7546bt11.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/MilHistNow/status/1054262828943708160
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I mean to say - WTF would Japanese torpedo boats be doing in the North Sea?
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We can't assume that the sailors who fired even knew where Japan is. They were probably conscripts with little to no education.
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Russians making up unbelievable bullshit even back then.... :idiot2:
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https://news.usni.org/2018/10/19/analysis-of-navy-shipbuilding-plan-hints-at-return-to-blue-sea-great-power-competition
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We can't assume that the sailors who fired even knew where Japan is. They were probably conscripts with little to no education.
That may well apply even to the officer's who were giving orders to those sailors..................
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Mothballed Ticonderoga class cruisers at Philadelphia Navy Yard
(https://i.redd.it/c6ljqbz3xxt11.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1055169222949535744
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https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1055169222949535744
Yep, this is one of my programs. I may get a trip to Norway - in January.
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Cool! :bigthumb:
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https://twitter.com/CavasShips/status/1057258949542662144
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-military-ship/russias-only-aircraft-carrier-damaged-after-crane-falls-on-it-idUSKCN1N410U
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1058071294330200064
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https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1058137252046372864
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Nuclear icebreaker '50 Let Pobedy' en route to North Pole, 2013
(https://i.redd.it/26nnqf02asv11.jpg)
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French battleship Dunkerque, anchored at Spithead, May 1937. Representing France at the Grand Naval Review celebrating the coronation of King George VI
(https://i.redd.it/4iqxyswnuov11.jpg)
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Nice lines...
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Nuclear icebreaker '50 Let Pobedy' en route to North Pole, 2013
(https://i.redd.it/26nnqf02asv11.jpg)
What could possibly go wrong.... :doh:
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No need to worry- it was built by Russians...
30 years ago...
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1059075320807129097
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French destroyer Le Fantasque on trials after refitting and requalification as a light cruiser, Casco Bay, 13 June 1943
(https://i.redd.it/x5sfj3zxsbw11.jpg)
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Barracks ship USS Benewah (APB-35) in the Mekong Delta. Built in 1945, she would earn eleven battle stars during the Vietnam War.
(https://i.imgur.com/BFQqoKE.jpg)
Benewah reached Vietnam on 22 April. Upon arrival, she became flagship for the Commander Task Force (CTF) 117, the Mobile Riverine Force operating in the Mekong Delta. Except for an occasional trip to Japan for repairs, Benewah spent the next 44 months at various locations in the Mekong Delta. In 1968-69, "Benewah" spent most of its time in the Mekong River near the Ninth Infantry division base at Đồng Tâm or an alternate anchorage near Ben Tre. In addition to serving as headquarters, she provided barracks space, medical facilities, stores issue, and a myriad of other services to the sailors and soldiers operating with the Mobile Riverine Force and with the similar formations that succeeded that organization when it was disestablished late in August 1969. The barracks ship frequently suffered enemy fire, and her guns went into action on numerous occasions. In May and early June 1970, Benewah participated in the incursion into Cambodian territory to support forces interdicting the Viet Cong supply lines running through that country.
On 26 November 1970, the ship departed Vietnam and headed for the Philippines. After a visit to Singapore between 28 November and 5 December, she arrived at Subic Bay on 11 December. There, Benewah underwent an inspection by a board of inspection and survey. That board determined that she was unfit for further active naval service. She was decommissioned there on 26 February 1971 and was turned over to the Naval Station, Subic Bay, to serve as station ship. Though decommissioned, Benewah remained on the active list in an in-service status. She was also redesignated a miscellaneous auxiliary, IX-311, two days after her decommissioning on 28 February 1971. She served at Subic Bay until 1 September 1973 on which day her name was struck from the Naval Vessel Register. In May 1974, she was transferred to the Republic of the Philippines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Benewah_(APB-35)
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HMS Fury leading a flotilla of destroyers during manoeuvres at Scapa Flow.
(https://i.redd.it/bx812lrfe4w11.jpg)
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HMAS Melbourne (R-21) on a port visit to Pearl Harbor, 1958.
(https://i.imgur.com/4XZpsCS.jpg)
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Russian Slava class cruiser Varyag
(https://i.imgur.com/D7xXonm.jpg)
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Imperial Russian battleship Oryol at Kronstadt, August 1904
(https://i.redd.it/5m21ne44mdw11.jpg)
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Russian Slava class cruiser Varyag
(https://i.imgur.com/D7xXonm.jpg)
Looks like the same kind of missile mounts as was used on one of the big Ekranoplans, the 'Lun'.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Lun_Ekranoplan.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/Aviation_Intel/status/1059510558259523588
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https://www.stripes.com/news/norwegian-frigate-could-sink-after-being-rammed-by-tanker-1.555707
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https://twitter.com/TaskandPurpose/status/1062358808792571904
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You have to suspect that they forgot one of the major components of running aground.
Ground has been found to be especially useful in such circumstances.
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https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1063271125453393926
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U.S.S. Missouri as It Enters Tokyo Bay for the Surrender Ceremony
(https://i.imgur.com/eXuB18s.jpg)
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Akatsuki-Class Torpedo-Boat Destroyer Kasumi in Clyde, Scotland 1902
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/IJN_Kasumi_in_England_Meiji_35.jpg/1280px-IJN_Kasumi_in_England_Meiji_35.jpg)
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Every Royal Navy Ship Lost In World War II
(https://i.redd.it/oc2hr15zmfz11.png)
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Canadian Navy Day sailpast, 1960
(https://i.redd.it/dbnbhegdsgz11.jpg)
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Back when we had a navy.... :(
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https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1064724846205054976
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1064954407530438657
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Collapsed dock crane on the deck of Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov after drydock accident
(https://i.imgur.com/EUyp6XC.png)
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25031/navy-attack-subs-lost-more-than-two-decades-worth-of-operational-time-to-maintenance-delays
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HMS Renown, Auckland April 1920.
(https://i.redd.it/zd7xzc788pz11.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/navalhistorian/status/1065735815991562241
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https://twitter.com/MilHistNow/status/1065942288092749825
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https://twitter.com/Erikhistorian/status/1065997983970410497
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USS Omaha (CL-4) in Commencement Bay at the end of July 1924
(https://i.imgur.com/t2nhiw4.jpg)
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Japanese carrier Sōryū at anchor in the Kurile Islands, 1941
(https://i.redd.it/gvm97gndg5121.jpg)
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Japan's New Carrier
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/29/japan-to-get-first-aircraft-carrier-since-second-world-war-amid-china-concerns?CMP=fb_gu&fbclid=IwAR2Z9g_rb2zNLvTygy0QLskC8cyLVzMGOi3m6j9Vm1SlNDW6C4poKALRLYE
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^that was inevitable
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36824917/trident-what-are-the-letters-of-last-resort
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https://www.al.com/news/2018/11/civil-war-blockade-runner-uncovered-in-fort-morgan-surf.html
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The Russkis are having quite a time in their shipyards
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25156/russian-icebreaker-under-construction-bursts-into-flames-injuring-at-least-two
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A 16-inch projectile lands near the bow of the target ship being fired at by the battleships USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) and USS MISSOURI (BB-63) during Fleet Exercise '89
(https://i.imgur.com/ZHG6lTl.jpg)
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US Navy Virginia class nuclear powered attack submarine USS Illinois (SSN-786)
(https://i.imgur.com/p3cqnxD.jpg)
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George H. W. Bush being rescued by USS Finback after being shot down over Chichijima island, 2 September 1944
(https://i.redd.it/08ylzcz5gm121.jpg)
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Royal Navy Astute-class arriving Faslane Naval Base
(https://i.redd.it/4c8ngh9n7w121.jpg)
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The Slava class cruiser 'Ukrayina'. For almost 30 years she has been lying around 95% complete at a shipyard in Kyiv, Ukraine, because neither Russia nor Ukraine wanted to pay for her completion.
(https://i.imgur.com/8m1hsiI.jpg)
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Colbert (French Battleship, 1875), left center, and Redoutable (French Battleship, 1876), right center. Moored off Brest navy yard, France circa the late 1870s or early 1880s
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/384/19306725059_ff457d06aa_o.jpg)
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HMS Duke Of York (17) at speed in the Pacific.
(https://i.imgur.com/InEYibe.jpg)
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British battlecruiser HMS Repulse escorting the last troop convoy to Singapore before the start of the Japanese invasion of Malaya, early December 1941
(https://i.redd.it/7b7dkeq064221.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/MilHistNow/status/1070664564528824320
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Japanese heavy cruiser Kumano anchored at Rabaul, with a Mitsubishi F1M "Pete" reconnaissance seaplane in the foreground, December 4-5, 1942
(https://i.redd.it/sn1i2mjv6n221.jpg)
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Speaking of Japanese capitol ships, an oldie but a goodie.
http://www.navweaps.com/index_lundgren/Kirishima_Damage_Analysis.pdf
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Don't recall this problem when Dreadnaught was constructed.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/2178493/death-penalty-may-await-chinese-aircraft-carrier-builder-boss
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Sovremenny-class destroyer Nastoychivyy steaming along in the Baltic fleet
(https://i.imgur.com/nPyb1KH.jpg)
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Coal burner?
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Coal burner?
Ha! Exactly my first thought as well
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I think the rings and gaskets may be shot !
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Waiting for the Swordfish torpedo attack by making a smokescreen.
Lots of incomplete combustion there. "Chief Engineer to the bridge."
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Waiting for the Swordfish torpedo attack by making a smokescreen.
Lots of incomplete combustion there. "Chief Engineer to the bridge."
'But ye cannah break the laws o' physics, Cap'n!'
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Sailors find creative ways to salute other navy;s.
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HMS Duke of York sails from Portland Harbour. In the background are her sister ships HMS Anson and HMS Howe
(https://i.redd.it/uofhzzblp6821.jpg)
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FS Le Terrible (S-619) at her launch ceremony
(https://i.redd.it/lj0cak5j4a821.jpg)
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PzH 2000 Turret mounted onto the German Frigate 'Hamburg' for MONARC
(https://i.redd.it/jkxppsskn7821.jpg)
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HMS Benbow
(https://i.redd.it/8lvnez68q7821.jpg)
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6-berth Junior Rates Cabin on the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth
(https://i.imgur.com/w1yjMbS.png)
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1081958667002490882
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I got to go on the CVN 78 (USS Ford) today. After my meeting, I walked around the ship a bit. I saw the AAG (advanced arresting gear) and a few other systems, walked up to the bridge, and walked around the flight deck.
Docked across the pier from the Ford was the Enterprise. Sort of sad to see it empty and partially stripped. In with the new, out with the old, I guess.
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I got to go on the CVN 78 (USS Ford) today. After my meeting, I walked around the ship a bit. I saw the AAG (advanced arresting gear) and a few other systems, walked up to the bridge, and walked around the flight deck.
Docked across the pier from the Ford was the Enterprise. Sort of sad to see it empty and partially stripped. In with the new, out with the old, I guess.
very cool! :bigthumb:
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1083714475679723520
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https://twitter.com/MilHistNow/status/1086233044623806465
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The last of USS Canopus (AS-34)
https://www.facebook.com/todd.wuerdeman/videos/10155987300180888/?t=44
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Cutting edge ASW in World War I.
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^Cool.
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Fifth Battle Squadron at sea.
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Is EMRG electro-magnetic gun tech? Wasn't the US Navy doing that, but decided to abandon it?
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They couldn't see what the attraction was.
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It can be a bit polarizing.
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https://www.facebook.com/HistoryBites/videos/288623028678544/?t=31
Declared to be the only color footage taken of Pearl Harbor attack.
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26197/navy-wants-experimental-squadron-of-surface-ships-to-explore-new-tactics-and-tech
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Great article Mirth! :bigthumb:
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https://twitter.com/MilHistNow/status/1090582959336407040
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...like a tin-can on a shingle.............
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I wonder if that drawing is of when she foundered and was lost.
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An iron warship? :o I wonder who was brave enough to go aboard first? That guy deserves a mention.
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I wonder if that drawing is of when she foundered and was lost.
Pretty much every time she left port she was in danger of foundering, but yeah I think that's what the drawing is depicting.
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I think they found her in 300 feet of water. I think 'coastal' in this case means 'be less than 10' from shore' ;)
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How the mighty have fallen. The Russian navy is in deep decline.
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htwin/articles/20190202.aspx
Sort of reminds me of the US Navy in the thirty years after the Civil War. No money, and the fleet was left to rot.
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Good video on USS Hornet.
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Hornet.html
She goes to sea at about 4:40. Nice flight deck operations for the Doolittle Raid.
Sorry that I only found this today. Only up for a few more days.
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26261/video-takes-you-inside-russias-beast-devision-of-akula-class-nuclear-fast-attack-subs
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Ford class still has major teething issues
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26260/navys-new-carrier-still-cant-reliably-get-planes-in-the-air-or-safely-back-on-the-deck
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British submarine X-1 underway
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7541/15818299887_54d7d8ea40_o.jpg)
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French re-dreadnaught Henri IV, shown here in 1910.
(https://i.imgur.com/NJBkz4B.jpg)
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Two Redoutable-class SSBN waiting to be dismantled in 2016. Cherbourg, France.
(https://www.meretmarine.com/sites/default/files/styles/mem_1000/public/new_objets_drupal/20160907235131_2015MCHG036_228.jpg?itok=pPYWgX59)
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Ford class still has major teething issues
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26260/navys-new-carrier-still-cant-reliably-get-planes-in-the-air-or-safely-back-on-the-deck
That's my office's annual report that is quoted there. My part of CVN 78 wasn't controversial this year (unlike last year), so my part of the report was pretty minor.
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Ford class still has major teething issues
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26260/navys-new-carrier-still-cant-reliably-get-planes-in-the-air-or-safely-back-on-the-deck (http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26260/navys-new-carrier-still-cant-reliably-get-planes-in-the-air-or-safely-back-on-the-deck)
That's my office's annual report that is quoted there. My part of CVN 78 wasn't controversial this year (unlike last year), so my part of the report was pretty minor.
I want your job. :bigthumb:
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USS Chicago, USS Newwark, USS Atlanta, USS Concord, and USS Yorktown, c.1889
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8679/15816772590_1c5ae756c8_o.jpg)
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26319/usns-sea-hunter-drone-ship-has-sailed-autonomously-to-hawaii-and-back-amid-talk-of-new-roles
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Great.... just great..... :buck2:
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What could possibly go wrong? (http://www.aarcentral.com/emoti/HideEyes.gif)
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I just hope it was supposed to sail to Hawaii and back. I mean it didn't just decide to go on it's own I hope. :worried:
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5 different classes of Japanese destroyers
(https://i.imgur.com/yt8oMsX.jpg)
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Nuclear icebreaker Arktika, lead ship of her class under construction in St. Petersburg || February, 2019
(https://i.redd.it/zrodi6oda5f21.jpg)
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Yeah... cause that's what we want floating on the ocean... a Russian nuclear plant... :doh:
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I suppose they must have some serious ice to break in Russia.
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No, they want to steal the Arctic from us! :tickedoff:
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Thankfully you have those Victoria-class subs.
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And soon(ish)... drones!
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Don't they know the Artic is melting? What will they do about July when there's no more ice to break? Or, do they have a plan to make…. more. :o
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I suppose they must have some serious ice to break in Russia.
They will use the reactor to melt it.
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I suppose they must have some serious ice to break in Russia.
They will use the reactor to melt it.
Along with anything else unfortunate enough to be in the neighborhood.
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Wasn't that how Godzilla got started?
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Wasn't that how Godzilla got started?
;D
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https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/us-navy-crashes-japan-cause-mccain/
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Very sad.
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(https://i.imgur.com/7J88BQv.jpg)
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Fantastic picture!
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Get some Ben! :bigthumb:
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Independence class carrier during Typhoon. (Photo caption is wrong. This is not Hancock.)
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:o
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Great White Fleet in review. Second Squadron Fourth Division ships shown: USS Kearsarge, USS Kentucky, and USS Illinois.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8575/15816669528_35e9b14af4_o.jpg)
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26475/the-soviets-golden-fish-missile-submarine-still-holds-the-record-as-the-worlds-fastest
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In Soviet Russia, you no swallow goldfish. Goldfish swallows YOU. :ROFL: Somebody had to say it.
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1096137049445408768
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Ironbottom Sound right?
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1096454421695922177
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Ironbottom Sound right?
Yep
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Isn't that where those idiotic scavengers are? :(
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I think those asshats are operating mostly in the East Indies and South China Sea areas.
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Too bad. The sharks in Ironbottom Sound gotta eat too.
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this dude makes some really good points about the Navy failing to adequately articulate their needs & vision to the shipbuilding world
https://blog.usni.org/posts/2019/02/04/ill-have-a-ship-killer-no-cream-no-sugar
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this dude makes some really good points about the Navy failing to adequately articulate their needs & vision to the shipbuilding world
https://blog.usni.org/posts/2019/02/04/ill-have-a-ship-killer-no-cream-no-sugar
I've worked on every program mentioned in the article. A couple of my thoughts:
- DDG 1000 was a product of the 90s. The Clinton administration was pushing high-tech weapons, and the Navy watched what the Air Force was doing with the F-22 and what the Army was doing with FCS, and needed to stay relevant, so they came up with the Zumwalt. Ships are not the same as aircraft (in many ways), and FCS wound up dying, but now we're stuck with three DDG 1000 class ships that were way too ambitious and now have ill-defined missions. I doubt if one will ever become operational. In the meantime, we are pouring a lot of money into them. Nobody has the courage to stick a fork in the program and cut our losses.
- LCS is another disaster. Our running joke is that LCS stands for "little crappy ship." This was the Navy's attempt at cost savings (ahem) with a modular mission package. The jury is still out on that, but they haven't sorted out the problems with the sea frames themselves (which should be easy). And buying two different hulls is a textbook example of how not to do acquisition.
- The article mentioned NSM. I'm very familiar with that program. It is being rushed into deployment very, very fast. By the time FFG(X) is operational (earliest would be 10 years from now), I doubt that NSM will be the choice for this ship. But the bigger picture is that the Navy doesn't have a good long-range strategy for their attack weapons. There are several interim stop-gap solutions, such as LRASM, Maritime Strike Tomahawk, and NSM, but I haven't seen much thought beyond those. Land attack is part of this also.
- I'm also very familiar with FFG(X). I will give the Navy credit for this program. From my view, they are going back to basics, or at least are being more realistic. They are having an open competition with five candidates, and from what I've seen, they've learned their lessons from LCS. At this point, they are not trying to be too ambitious, but mission creep is perhaps the biggest enemy of DoD acquisition programs, and we'll see where we're at a decade from now.
- I am less familiar with the amphibs, but the article doesn't say anything substantial. I will say that you shouldn't believe anything in the HII figure.
As a personal update: I've spent the last couple of years in acquisition of major Navy systems, but in a couple of weeks I'm moving to a new position in Army S&T. I worked in an Army lab before my current position, so I'm looking forward to getting back to the engineering side of things, and I think I will be working on some interesting things. And I didn't plan my career this way, but by working on Navy programs, I've now worked on just about every area in DoD except cyber. (You would think that with this experience, I'd be better at wargames, but that knowledge doesn't seem to have transferred.) With my new job, I'll also be moving from the Pentagon to Crystal City, which will put me in the middle of Amazon's HQ2. I'm not sure if that will be good or bad.
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Great insights. Thanks Trailrunner.
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What do you think of the author's assertions that the Navy does a crappy job of explaining what they want to the market that's trying to respond the Navy's (stated) goals / desires?
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What do you think of the author's assertions that the Navy does a crappy job of explaining what they want to the market that's trying to respond the Navy's (stated) goals / desires?
I sort of agree with him that the Navy lacks a solid operational concept, but that is true of all services because nobody knows what war we are going to fight next. In most cases, the service decides what kind of ship or plane or tank they want, then conjure up a corresponding operational concept to fit that. Is the Navy worse than the other services? Maybe, maybe not. For the last 28 years, the Navy has been watching the Army and Air Force have most of the action, and the Navy surface warfare has been a little lost. With the recent realignment towards our near-peers and the happenings in the South China Sea, the Navy has a better focus on where they are needed, but we still don't know what a battle could look like -- will it be quickly decided by subs? Aircraft? Surface-to-surface missiles? I have no idea. I don't think the Navy (or anyone) does either, but what I was trying to say was that the issues with DDG 1000 and LCS were more of a result of trying new things in the 90s than a lack of an operational concept. Ships (like other military systems) take a long, long time, so now we're sort of stuck with decisions we made back then. Although the author didn't state it this way, I think the Navy should develop a roadmap for strike weapons (not just surface warfare), which will affect development of both the weapons themselves, and to some degree the ships. Hand-in-hand with this would be an operational concept, so I'm sort of in alignment with the author. For amphibs -- yeah, the operational concept is vague: can any of us really conceive of an amphibious assault in the next decade, or what it would look like? I was also trying to say that FFG(X) seems to be getting back to basics, and the Navy has clarity with what they want, except for that roadmap for their strike weapons which the ship will eventually deploy.
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USS Enterprise (CV-6) landing aircraft while supporting the Gilberts Operation, 22 November 1943
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7520/16159704280_8011a41419_o.jpg)
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French submarine Perle (S606)
(https://i.imgur.com/zLk3FWY.jpg)
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Hood aerial view of the ship's starboard midships area, off Honolulu, on 12 June 1924. Note rangefinders atop the conning tower and foremast top; with a partially disassembled air craft platform atop B turret; and boats stowed amidships.
(https://i.imgur.com/GcfFbW5.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/CNORichardson/status/1098717989287968768
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Well done Admiral John. :applause:
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https://twitter.com/johndefatkin/status/1100017661780594688
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https://twitter.com/johndefatkin/status/1100017661780594688 (https://twitter.com/johndefatkin/status/1100017661780594688)
that's about 3-1/2 miles from Bawb
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I'm only a few miles up river from Tynemouth.
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I'm only a few miles up river from Tynemouth.
And apparently well defended ;)
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I'm only a few miles up river from Tynemouth.
And apparently well defended ;)
But not against frying pans.
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I'm only a few miles up river from Tynemouth.
And apparently well defended ;)
But not against frying pans.
that's what the C-whiz is for
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1100085594435321860
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^That's a cool pic that led me down a rabbit hole where I found this:
Eugene Ely made the first carrier takeoff on November 14, 1910 (https://www.businessinsider.com/eugene-ely-navy-launched-plane-from-ship-for-first-time-in-1910-2017-11)
(https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5a0b1dd83dbef471018b5e1b-750-580.jpg)
Man, history is addictive. :bigthumb:
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1100085594435321860
:bigthumb:
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French SSBN Le Terrible
(https://i.imgur.com/D1YcZbk.jpg)
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USS Hornet (CV-12) at anchor in Berth X-12, Majuro Lagoon, Marshall Islands, 12 May 1944
(https://i.imgur.com/CYbQa4N.jpg)
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USS Sea Poacher (SS-406) tows a disabled ZX-11 airship during a 22 hour rescue which started out as a training attack by the airship on the submarine. July 1952
(https://i.redd.it/644u500to1j21.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/severeweatherEU/status/1101228686693543937
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Stuff that! I get seasick watching my rubber duck in the bath,
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The USN will not be bringing back any of the Perrys :(
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a26448230/navy-wont-bring-back-mothballed-ships/
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Battleships of the Sixth Battle Squadron at Brest, France, on 13 December 1918
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7427/16346944206_83a7344e17_o.jpg)
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Remnant of Russian Imperial Fleet - Cruiser "Aurora" in Saint-Petersburg
(https://i.redd.it/wopusqn5n9k21.jpg)
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Would that be the, 'Aurora Borealis' in the sky behind her then? ;D Nope, just smog.
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Model showing a Vietnam-era conversion of USS New Jersey (BB-62) having been converted into an amphibious assault vessel
(https://i.imgur.com/gMtlgVs.jpg)
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/whatif/tinian-350-rw/rw-index.html
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Castles of Steel, an imposing HMS Nelson leads another battleship
(https://i.redd.it/aj8uw523bck21.jpg)
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Anti-aircraft gun crews aboard Light Carrier USS Langley roll with the ship in heavy seas in the South China Sea, 18 January 1945.
(https://i.redd.it/ch7pnkokifk21.jpg)
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A view from atop USS John F. Kennedy (CVA/CV-67) island structure of F-14A Tomcat aircraft from Fighter Squadron 14 (VF-14) and Fighter Squadron 32 (VF-32) on the ship's flight deck. Time period in question is during her deployment to the Red Sea in support of Operation Desert Shield.
(https://i.redd.it/6unldjzmifk21.jpg)
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That picture of the Nelson is impressive.
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https://twitter.com/Battlefields/status/1104049388178018304
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https://twitter.com/Battlefields/status/1104094570688720896
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Interesting :bigthumb:
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Those are ironclad specs too. Literally.
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Those are ironclad specs too. Literally.
I would have bet money you were going to make a comment about the 'submerged end'. (http://www.aarcentral.com/emoti/HideEyes.gif)
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HMS Barham at Scapa Flow, 1917, with other battleships and cruisers of the Grand Fleet. Note triangular fabric pieces fitted to her masts and funnels as anti-rangefinding camouflage.
(https://i.imgur.com/KYRLn2D.jpg)
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Impressive sight.
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1105115251173965828
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Impressive sight.
I'd never seen those "camouflage" pieces before.
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1105115251173965828
LOL...can just see him thinking, "f*cking recruiter...'see the world' he said, now look at me, a glorified landscaper drying a friggin' deck..." ;D
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I was thinking that's probably a $125,000 leaf blower
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Gotta pay for Area 51 somehow. :crazy2:
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I thought all the new Navy leaf blowers were hypersonic now? :P
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Like blowing HOT AIR is a problem for the gub'mint, amirite?
Oh God, now I'm sounding like Sir Slash. ;D
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Urite aww write.
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Before I left Navy programs, I proposed a laser leaf eradicater.
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Before I left Navy programs, I proposed a laser leaf eradicater.
And they didn't go for it?!
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Probably stole the idea and pretended it was theirs all along.
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https://twitter.com/probingthepast/status/1105208894979260418
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Wow! Not seen that before. Some concentrated bombing there.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Tirpitz#Operation_Catechism
A force of 32 Lancasters from Nos. 9 and 617 Squadrons dropped 29 Tallboys on the ship, with two direct hits and one near miss
32 Lancs. Ouch.
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Quite a story.
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Before I left Navy programs, I proposed a laser leaf eradicater.
And they didn't go for it?!
It wasn’t expensive enough.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Tirpitz#Operation_Catechism
A force of 32 Lancasters from Nos. 9 and 617 Squadrons dropped 29 Tallboys on the ship, with two direct hits and one near miss
32 Lancs. Ouch.
There was a previous attack on the Tirpitz by Fleet Air Arm Fairey Barracudas that caused significant damager to the Tirpitz. The Barracudas were escorted by (of all things) FAA-flown Wildcats, Hellcats..., and Corsairs! I'm betting Bob already knew this. ;)
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Actually, no, I didn't know until I read about it after mirth posted. Its a very interesting story.
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It took something like 9 tries for the RAF to sink the Tirpitz. 32 Lancs with Tall Boys though...
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I thought Bob was in that raid that killed the Tirpitz. I thought he rode one of the bombs down sitting astride it with his moustache serving as a rudder. Tell me it's still true.
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ROFL :)
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An earlier effort by X craft minisubs, came so close.
When one of the X craft crew got out of their sinking boat, he clambered onto a buoy, looked around and there was Tirpitz - undamaged.
"It was so tiresome."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/magazine/uss-wasp-lost-world-war-ii-aircraft-carrier.html
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Some story - I didn't know about that. Thanks for posting.
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https://twitter.com/PHDockyard/status/1105854755115597829
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Seems odd now, but I remember when the Pensioners were all men from WW1, but now, these guys are from WW2 and the Korean War.
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Yeah, I still struggle to wrap my brain around most of our Vietnam Vets being in their 60s and older now.
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Tempus fugit and all that.
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HMS Cornwall off Shanghai in February 1932
(https://i.imgur.com/hiSstpR.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/VulcanInc/status/1105876678591635456
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1106568920763453442
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Aircraft carrying cruiser project 1143.4 "Baku"
(https://i.redd.it/mcwht2lfohm21.jpg)
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USS Long Beach CGN-9
(https://i.imgur.com/Oh6jgnk.jpg)
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USS Stiletto. another experimental torpedo boat.
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The USN is looking to retire six Ticos
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/03/18/once-again-the-us-navy-looks-to-scrap-its-largest-combatants-to-save-money/
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NO! First the Prowlers, then this. :nope:
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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/heres-crazy-idea-european-union-aircraft-carrier-47702
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Oliver Hazard Perry class guided missile frigates USS Clifton Sprague (FFG-16) and USS Flatley (FFG-21), Bath, Maine, 10 February 1981
(https://i.redd.it/t117rll4ygn21.jpg)
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wow :o
https://abcnews.go.com/International/norwegian-cruise-engine-failure-off-norway-coast-prompts/story?id=61894958 (https://abcnews.go.com/International/norwegian-cruise-engine-failure-off-norway-coast-prompts/story?id=61894958)
https://twitter.com/alexus309/status/1109537029912711168
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As long as the bar stayed open....
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I'll bet the ship's dramamine supply didn't last long.
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That's a little too much, 'Viking' for my tastes, thank you.
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https://twitter.com/Lompemann/status/1109651719905046530
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JS Kaga
(https://i.imgur.com/B4dbI0I.jpg)
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An earlier Kaga.
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And smaller.
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Shorter only by a foot and a half though, and the IJN Kaga displaced nearly twice the water than the JS Kaga does.
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Nerd!!
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When yuh point yer finger at me, there's three more pointing' back at you...
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Hope that's his finger he's pointing at you. ::)
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Well hello there sailor!
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:ROFL:
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Well hello there sailor!
Bonsoir matelot?
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USS Philippine Sea (CV-47), USS Barton (DD-722), and USS Iowa (BB-61), operating in the Sea of Japan, off Korea, during replenishment operations, 1 July 1952
(https://i.imgur.com/nzktKUW.jpg)
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Now THAT was a navy. :rockon:
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USS Monongahela, 1902.
As late as World War I, there were still significant numbers of sailing ships used in commerce. They were cheap and reliable. Being slow, they couldn't even run from Uboats.
Count Felix von Luckner's Seeadler partly got through the english blockade because his ship was a sailing vessel. Who would try commerce raiding in that?
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Amagi, capsized in Kure harbor, 1945
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/IJN_carrier_Amagi_capsized_off_Kure_in_1946.jpg)
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27166/navys-troubled-new-carrier-delayed-again-as-power-plant-issues-become-a-concern
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The Royal Australian Navy frigate HMAS Newcastle (FFG 06) transits alongside the aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8121/9017055121_b466d5c073_o.jpg)
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Soviet Tupolev G-5 motor torpedo boat in the Black Sea during WW2
(https://i.redd.it/ehmnsb4bsmp21.jpg)
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USS Wasp in the Philippine Sea, 27 March 2019. She has F-35B Lightnings and MV-22B Osprey on deck.
(https://i.redd.it/1vunz2720op21.jpg)
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Pretty!
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27253/u-s-amphibious-assault-ship-in-south-china-sea-with-unprecedentedly-large-load-of-f-35bs
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This is an excellent read
https://usnhistory.navylive.dodlive.mil/2019/03/18/the-oerlikon-20-mm-the-right-tool-for-the-job/
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Good article.
In regards to the Chicago Piano, one of it's flaws was it's fuse.
this part was designed by Arleigh Burks, who had a great role to play in the Pacific. He ended his career as the only two term CNO.
It's hard to imagine him designing the fuse of an AA round, but in those days all Academy graduates were trained as engineers and rotated through positions as such.
He admitted in his biography, that this work on the Piano was the very worst job he ever did.
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https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1115792963018219520
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Austro-Hungarian warships at sea, June 9, 1915
(https://i.redd.it/yu8vdgz50mr21.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/probingthepast/status/1116325690289340416
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https://warontherocks.com/2019/03/samson-the-carrier-and-goliath-the-amphib-twin-giants-of-a-compromised-fleet-architecture/ (https://warontherocks.com/2019/03/samson-the-carrier-and-goliath-the-amphib-twin-giants-of-a-compromised-fleet-architecture/)
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1116726835658788865
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NICE!!! :bigthumb:
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https://amp.businessinsider.com/marines-test-lightning-carrier-concept-in-the-south-china-sea-2019-4
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https://amp.businessinsider.com/marines-test-lightning-carrier-concept-in-the-south-china-sea-2019-4 (https://amp.businessinsider.com/marines-test-lightning-carrier-concept-in-the-south-china-sea-2019-4)
Yep. This is the coming thing for naval aviation. Those baby carriers the Marines have are going to get a lot of work going forward.
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https://usnhistory.navylive.dodlive.mil/2019/04/12/when-heritage-meets-initiative-the-story-of-samuel-b-roberts-ffg-58/
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https://warontherocks.com/2019/03/samson-the-carrier-and-goliath-the-amphib-twin-giants-of-a-compromised-fleet-architecture/ (https://warontherocks.com/2019/03/samson-the-carrier-and-goliath-the-amphib-twin-giants-of-a-compromised-fleet-architecture/)
I don't think guy makes a lot of sense, except for using the America class LHA's a mini carriers and perhaps not needing as many super carriers. I think, for the most part, no one has an air force that could challenge a squadron or two of F-35's for air superiority, outside of Europe, the Middle East, and Eastern Asia. Those three areas, we have a pretty significant air force presence already, so not sure there is a large need for super carriers. He also bemoans the navy not having any carrier launched drones, except for a tanker. But if those drones need a catapult to launch, then the America class will not work, as they don't have those. I'm sure a new, small carrier class with catapult capability, could be built. He also complains about he short range of the F-35's, but they have a longer range than the MQ-9 Reapers. Yes, the Navy's X-48 experimental combat drone has a longer range, but they need a catapult to launch.
Then he really goes off the rails talking about a frigate with well deck and needing to be multi mission. The Perry's were multi mission, anti sub, anti air, and anti surface. And I really don't want my gator freighters chasing subs or surface combatants. I've no problem with putting VLS launcher on ships like the San Antonio's, but they should be adding that fire power to their escorts, not sitting out there by themselves as the primary surface combatant.
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https://twitter.com/CcibChris/status/1118077030623522816
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ROFL!
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ea/68/03/ea6803cdd3539ccfc140fc3e18ef13ff.jpg)
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:bigthumb:
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Oh! They got a new canoe! :applause:
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27510/german-and-canadian-firms-developing-seaspider-rocket-powered-anti-torpedo-torpedo
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USS Brooklyn (ACR-3) - 1899
(https://live.staticflickr.com/286/33455355446_89f884480e_o.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1119269529778049030
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USS Brooklyn (ACR-3) - 1899
(https://live.staticflickr.com/286/33455355446_89f884480e_o.jpg)
Hipster...
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1121132439659864064
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By heck lad, its a big 'un!
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Big contract too
https://news.usni.org/2019/04/23/vt-halter-marine-to-build-new-coast-guard-icebreaker
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Very impressive! It'll be interesting to get further details such as tonnage / complement and so forth.
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https://www.dcms.uscg.mil/Our-Organization/Assistant-Commandant-for-Acquisitions-CG-9/Programs/Surface-Programs/Polar-Icebreaker/
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Good details here:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27647/behold-americas-new-and-desperately-needed-heavy-icebreaker
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Nice! Thanks for the links, gents,
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https://twitter.com/USNHistory/status/1121390913195057153
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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-nightmare-how-us-navy-could-sink-its-prized-aircraft-carriers-53337
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https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1121858334422908929
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USS Arkansas (CGN-41), a Virginia-class nuclear-propelled guided-missile cruiser, passing close along the starboard side of the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise in the Pacific Ocean on 9 April 1986
(https://i.redd.it/1neijpl8c0v21.jpg)
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Helicopter carrier "Leningrad", project 1123, visited the city of Leningrad. July, 1980
(https://i.redd.it/kt3g3x3310v21.jpg)
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Ekaterina II-class pre-dreadnought battleship Chesma
(https://i.redd.it/2cu0yyaxxzu21.jpg)
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HMS Indomitable in a pre-war image, location unknown.
(https://i.imgur.com/D8WBPwG.jpg)
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Austrian Monarch class coastal defense battleship,1907
(https://i.redd.it/gljrnv1ev1v21.jpg)
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VERY NICE! :applause:
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USS Saratoga (CV 3)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5754/29994361603_6771c333a9_o.jpg)
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Submarine "Prince Vladimir" of Project 955A during tests, 2018.
(https://i.redd.it/yu6k7amp78v21.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1123605368804904960
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That USS Atlanta's a fetching, little thing isn't she? Anybody know if she's single? :dreamer:
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Her 16 5-inch guns made life on any Japanese aircraft that came in range.
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USS Iowa (BB-61),wearing a measure 32a /1B camouflage design, entering Majuro on 4 February 1944, taken by the Natoma Bay (CVE-62).
(https://i.redd.it/4fja41cjsmv21.jpg)
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Close up view of aft broadside batteries of Austro-Hungarian Tegetthoff class dreadnought battleship in firing position during gunnery practice
(https://i.redd.it/kftivrnn2sv21.jpg)
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HMS Devastation (1871) the 1st RN class of ocean-going capital ships that did not carry sails and had all guns on top of the hull (4 12" -305 mm- 35-ton muzzle-loading rifles, later replaced in 1891 by 10" -254 mm- breech-loading rifles)
(https://i.redd.it/l76wgwpj0sv21.jpg)
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Cleveland-class light cruiser USS Biloxi (CL-80) catapults a Curtiss SO3C floatplane while on shakedown, circa October 1943. USN photo.
(https://i.redd.it/yrb2fr7qzpv21.jpg)
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Spanish cruiser Novarra after her modernization following the civil war likely around 1938/39.
(https://i.redd.it/zc99naobsvv21.jpg)
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USS Menge after taking a german accoustic torpedo.
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(https://i.redd.it/53ncwjgyk9w21.png)
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^Very Steampunk-y. Who is she?
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^Very Steampunk-y. Who is she?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ironclad_Marengo
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She seems to have been extensively altered in the time between the wiki page model's configuration and that in the pic you posted.
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It's a Warhammer thing.
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It's a Warhammer thing.
The version in Mirth's pic is definitely more butch.
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She seems to have been extensively altered in the time between the wiki page model's configuration and that in the pic you posted.
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French coastal "battleship" Tonnerre class 1875-1905
(https://i.redd.it/bhvcfddfb9w21.jpg)
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HMS Barham
(https://i.imgur.com/334dlLd.jpg)
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SMS Schleswig-Holstein.(1905) Last German pre dreadnought battleship
(https://i.redd.it/8vsah8kem7w21.png)
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(https://i.redd.it/z9elidwt33w21.jpg)
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HMAS Dechaineux (SSG-76), HMAS Waller (SSG-75) and HMAS Sheean (SSG-77)
(https://i.redd.it/zql7crkmm7w21.jpg)
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Ex- USS Charles F. Adams Looking a Little Worse for Wear at Naval Inactive Ship Maintenance Facility (NISMF) Philadelphia
(https://i.imgur.com/6EkYM3X.jpg)
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SMS Schleswig-Holstein.(1905) Last German pre dreadnought battleship
(https://i.redd.it/8vsah8kem7w21.png)
IIRC, that ship fired the very first shots of WW2.
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Yep, you're right - I remember reading that.
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Ex- USS Charles F. Adams Looking a Little Worse for Wear at Naval Inactive Ship Maintenance Facility (NISMF) Philadelphia
(https://i.imgur.com/6EkYM3X.jpg)
Drove past there a few months ago. Very depressing.
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Nah, that'll buff right out.
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1125396325066002433
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...or awaiting kicking some ChiCom butt, perhaps?
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I wish
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Second pic up, is the Adams sitting next to a Ticonderoga-Class?
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Second pic up, is the Adams sitting next to a Ticonderoga-Class?
Looks like. We've been retiring the early Ticos too.
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So the whole railgun upgrade project...that's dead and going nowhere, right? Last I recall, the Navy tanked it because it wasn't working right and was way too expensive.
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So the whole railgun upgrade project...that's dead and going nowhere, right? Last I recall, the Navy tanked it because it wasn't working right and was way too expensive.
USN has been very quiet about it. The ChiComms have been pursuing the tech, but they are always more about show than actual operational weapons
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Well, hopefully we'll never need to worry about actually seeing such systems fired in anger against the Chinese.
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So the whole railgun upgrade project...that's dead and going nowhere, right? Last I recall, the Navy tanked it because it wasn't working right and was way too expensive.
Railgun was one of those sexy new technologies that we were chasing when we didn't have anything better to do. But then one day we realized that we had been neglecting our anti-ship missiles, and now that's where most of the Navy's focus is going (rightfully so). There's probably some S&T funding for railgun to keep it alive (I know the Army has some).
I have this idea that we should turn the DDG-1000 class into S&T labs. Put a railgun on one ship, and put a laser on another. Not sure what I'd do with the third.
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View from the bridge on two forward triple turrets of Tegethoff class dreadnought battleship, exact date unknown
(https://i.redd.it/z1qtybpo4sw21.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1125865972282343424
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In regards to the Tegetthof BBs, they were done really cheap.
We've all seen that video of one turning turlte with loads of sailors running over the bottom of the ship.
Reason was the lack of internal water tight divisions. Small ships, like Forrest Sherman DDs, had five watertight spaces. If three remained unbreached, the ship had positive buoyancy.
The Tegetthofs had not even that. One torpedo was all it took.
Also, they skimped on the turret ventilation. They couldn't fire consistently for over ten minutes, or the crew began to pass out from lack of oxygen.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27913/royal-navy-sub-appears-in-gibraltar-equipped-with-a-wake-detection-system
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A water spout forms as the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) transits the Atlantic Ocean, 12 December 2017
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/171204-N-NO778-0003_%2839067196112%29.jpg)
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USS Mississippi followed by USS New Mexico maneuvering for a fleet review at Los Angeles area in 1938
(https://i.redd.it/k4lajiksn5y21.jpg)
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God, those are both gorgeous pics.
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"Lady Lex & Sister Sara" USS Saratoga (CV-3) and USS Lexington (CV-2) off Diamond Head on 2 February 1933. Colorized by Irootoko jr.
(https://i.redd.it/hz0zuwf1ldy21.jpg)
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Nice!
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USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67) in dry dock
(https://i.redd.it/fqih433k1ky21.jpg)
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USS Shangri-La (CVA-38) conducts the first successful at-sea cat shot of the enormous A3D Skywarrior on 1 September 1956, off Baja California
(https://i.redd.it/cvn3uds79fy21.jpg)
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The pic of the Sky Warrior reminded me of this
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The B-52 shot is cool, but it's actually very impressive that the Navy was able to operate large aircraft like the Skywarrior and Vigilante off carriers.
The Skywarrior is a beast to be flying off an Essex like that.
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Yes, that was an outstanding design feature that supposedly was argued against by Ernie King.
The design team, that I think was headed by Apollo Soucek, had an idea of what they wanted in the follow ons to the Yorktowns. Some short cuts were made. When Lexington had her forward flight deck damaged in Halsey's Typhoon, this had been an accepted weakness in the Essex design.
but the designers knew that the planes would get bigger, and the internal space had to be engineered to accept these future designs. They particularly noted that the RNs ships would be limited by the hangar space.
King thought they needed a simpler design to get as many carriers as possible built quickly. Somehow the design team pleased almost everyone.
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USS Essex (CV-9) a TBM "Avenger", trailing smoke, returns to the carrier after being hit by Japanese anti-aircraft fire during the Okinawa Operation , 28 March 1945
(https://i.imgur.com/Xvmw2Gh.jpg)
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USS Maine entering Havana Harbor on January 25, 1898
(https://i.redd.it/5pnlfvo5buz21.jpg)
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Got one of it leaving? :whistle:
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Got one of it leaving? :whistle:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Wreck_of_USS_Maine_being_towed_out_of_Havana_Harbor_-_1913-03-16.jpg)
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Dang! :o :bigthumb:
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Careful what you ask for, Mirth's got pics of....almost.... everything. ::) The Mirth Vault.
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Here's a question on pics.
Years ago, my father in law had served on the Essex during World War II and had a Cruise Book with fantastic pictures of the ship's activity in World War II.
In the middle of the book was a two page spread of a photo. Taken by a back seater (in an Avenger?) of a low altitude fly over of a Japanese ship. It was a battleship and from the uniquely shaped funnel, it appeared to be Yamato class.
Only saw it once as Charlie was very protective of the book. After he passed, it went to a family member who is also keeping it under wraps.
It was a very detailed shot of the overflown ship, and I've never seen this picture reproduced anywhere else.
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No idea about the pic but you may find this interesting:
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SMS Seydlitz in port for battle damage repairs after the Battle of Jutland, on 6 June 1916, after the guns had been removed from her forward gun turret. Note her list to port and the nearly submerged condition of her bow.
(https://i.imgur.com/aPPWVwG.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/RoyalNavy/status/1131554546017296384
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28168/zumwalt-stealth-destroyers-now-part-of-experimental-squadron-along-with-drone-ships
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28168/zumwalt-stealth-destroyers-now-part-of-experimental-squadron-along-with-drone-ships
I got to walk around the DDG 1000 last year. As the article notes, the front part of the ship is for the guns. In addition to the guns themselves, the ships have a sophisticated, highly automated magazine system below decks. It was not a trivial thing to develop and build, and it must have cost a fortune, but without the guns, all that investment will be lost. What a waste.
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Thank you, Stagger. The photo in my memory looks a lot like the video at the 13 second mark.
Had never seen this video.
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On rare occasion, Staggerwing has been known to be helpful. >:D
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British Grand Fleet
(https://external-preview.redd.it/u6Pfl8ib7Opx__gMHAOQrbXpMuRR6GlWXNvhR66dI2Y.jpg?auto=webp&s=c889dfc22d768f671e51cc40a82f173dbfaeaaab)
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Thank you, Stagger. The photo in my memory looks a lot like the video at the 13 second mark.
Had never seen this video.
Glad to be of help :)
On rare occasion, Staggerwing has been known to be helpful. >:D
:P
And getting rarer as more and more brain cells turn to oatmeal. Lean Cuisine for Zombies...
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https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/05/23/when-it-comes-to-missile-killing-lasers-the-us-navy-is-ready-to-burn-its-ships/
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And next, Lightsabers for boarding actions. I approve. :applause:
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https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/05/23/when-it-comes-to-missile-killing-lasers-the-us-navy-is-ready-to-burn-its-ships/
That was one of my programs until I changed jobs in March. I was supposed to go to the design review mentioned in the article, but that was the week I started my new job.
I'll just say this: take what Boxall says and divide by 5. His "burning boats" comment is silly, but it's what gets PEOs promoted (and ships like the Zumwalt built).
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HMS Hermes (R12) in 1968 with a full deck
(https://i.redd.it/ol49muwxhq031.png)
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That's a full deck alright.
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Nice pic!
I recognize those prop planes in the second and third row as AEW-style Fairey Gannets but what is the very first one? It looks a bit different. Some kind of slimmer variant?
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I think it's the COD variant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hermes_(R12)#Proposed_international_fleet
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Ah- like the USN's Greyhound.
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Current US fleet disposition
https://news.usni.org/2019/05/27/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-may-27-2019
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Very cool! Nice find Bryant. :bigthumb:
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USS Iowa (BB-4) underway circa 1918
(https://external-preview.redd.it/pdUMpkbgQG5xUZ-vqVYjOfVOZyBn-OdeNqPn4p6YPzE.jpg?auto=webp&s=5f42b7050e40fbc9fc92adcdb3e6b3af9b06faf2)
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if there's no sails, what are all the lines for?
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if there's no sails, what are all the lines for?
laundry
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Soviet ship loading an SLBM into a Typhoon
(https://i.imgur.com/4XzHoYz.jpg)
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(http://USS Spruance DD963 cruising the Med 2002)
(https://i.redd.it/o2yk4po9fu031.png)
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if there's no sails, what are all the lines for?
laundry
must be a naked crew out there today
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if there's no sails, what are all the lines for?
Signal flags. Radio was kinda new-fangled then.
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if there's no sails, what are all the lines for?
Signal flags. Radio was kinda new-fangled then.
Don't engage him on a serious level.
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Kearsarge-class pre-dreadnought battleship USS Kentucky (BB-6)
(https://i.redd.it/8ko723ajxx131.jpg)
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Flyover of USS John C Stennis
(https://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/041027-N-6213R-097.jpg)
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USS Leyte (CV-32). At anchor in Sasebo harbor, Japan, in November 1950, during a break in her Korean War combat operations
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8685/16906171065_7a8ae43bf6_o.jpg)
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28367/navys-f-35c-stealth-fighters-wont-fly-from-troubled-new-ford-class-carriers-for-years
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28367/navys-f-35c-stealth-fighters-wont-fly-from-troubled-new-ford-class-carriers-for-years
(https://media.tenor.com/images/6f325225aeebe2f01e4fcfeab6d710ff/tenor.gif)
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The Invasion of Normandy - D-Day, 6 June 1944. Canadian Minesweeping Squadron 31, supported by USS Emmons (DD-457) and USS Doyle (DD-494), cleared a bombardment support lane to the Normandy coast during the night before H-Hour. Watercolor on Paper by Dwight C. Shepler, 1944.
(https://i.redd.it/00aqaq7eoq231.jpg)
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28367/navys-f-35c-stealth-fighters-wont-fly-from-troubled-new-ford-class-carriers-for-years
Doesnt need, those LHA work just fine with Marine F35's.
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French light cruiser Glorie in the Hudson River, New York City, during July 1939
(https://i.imgur.com/RvI9H6s.jpg)
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https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Battleship-Texas-will-leave-San-Jacinto-13905074.php
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28417/everything-we-know-about-the-near-collision-between-u-s-and-russian-warships-in-the-pacific
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They should've thrown the garbage over to them as they passed by. Russkie :Loser:
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28425/dude-makes-ballistic-missile-launching-lego-submarine-then-depth-charges-it-to-pieces
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Oregon City-class heavy cruiser USS Rochester (CA-124) in heavy seas, November 1957
(https://i.redd.it/8g90inyqmj531.jpg)
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Submarine Scout Zero Type Airship SSZ 37 flying above P-class sloop minelaying sloop, PC.61
(https://i.redd.it/7leptmg7hc531.jpg)
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:bigthumb:
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Thought you would approve ;)
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Bow view of battlecruiser SMS Moltke in rough seas
(https://i.redd.it/ry10e3jtm3631.jpg)
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That's a pretty shot. :applause:
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American Arleigh Burke class destroyer and Japanese Izumo class helicopter destroyer, May 2019
(https://i.redd.it/c9tm0vzt37631.jpg)
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HMS Inflexible (1876), in Malta [4500 x 3200]. Information and more pictures in comments.
(https://i.imgur.com/WC8rGuK.jpg)
album - https://imgur.com/gallery/RR8UfCX
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28702/navys-newest-littoral-combat-ship-damaged-after-smacking-into-a-moored-ship-in-canada
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Boy, that class sure is snake bit.
Thinking about it, the nearest I can recall wa the Knox class frigates. They were designed with two boilers, one steam turbine, and one offset propellor shaft.
If you had a steam problem, or a boiler issue, this layout made it easier for the ship to lose power. Most ships had four boilers and two enginerooms with two shafts.
They could operate two boilers all the team, so it was harder for the ship to go dark.
Overall, they seemed to be effective. They were designed for convoy escort, when we would have sent forces across the Atlantic to fight the Soviets.
The Knox frigates did occasionally lose power, and it could be very frustrating for the crew to get power back.
Their worst problem was the weak AAW defence. Once the USS Vreeland was off Latakia, Syria collecting intel on the Syrian naval forces. Think there was to be a missile test launch.
They didn't like this and four Osa/Komar boats surrounded Vreeland and she was told to leave or else.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48949113
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28933/you-can-buy-one-of-the-armys-most-capable-ships-as-the-service-guts-its-naval-fleets
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Japanese destroyers JS Shiranui (DD-120) and JS Suzunami (DD-114) covered in snow
(https://i.imgur.com/dHxv8OP.jpg)
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HMS Commonwealth, 1903, a King Edward VII class battleship with a main battery of 4x12" (305 mm) and a heavy secondary armament of 4x9.2" (234 mm) and 10x6" (152 mm). King Edward VII class units were some of the last pre-dreadnoughts built for the RN before the coming of HMS Dreadnought
(https://i.redd.it/cpfscc1uhn931.jpg)
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https://www.pressherald.com/2019/07/22/commander-of-newest-bath-built-ship-part-of-a-rare-class/
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https://twitter.com/franceintheus/status/1153337946415730688
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USS Iowa (BB-61), December 1943
(https://i.imgur.com/KMUQ6Th.jpg)
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29122/north-koreas-new-ballistic-missile-submarine-is-a-refurbished-antique
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South Korea is planning a baby carrier of their own
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29137/south-korea-kicks-off-development-of-a-new-amphibious-ship-designed-to-carry-f-35bs
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That ought to cause Little Kim to shoot a few advisors/ girlfriends. >:D
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HMS Hood on the St. Lawrence river, anchored before the Citadelle of Quebec and Château Frontenac, 1924.
(https://i.imgur.com/m6x8pZi.jpg)
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Drove past the Philadelphia Navy Shipyard a couple of weeks ago, it was very sad to see 2 Aegis cruisers there. Half the haul was pink, didn't even have hull numbers.
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The end of the USS West Virginia (BB-48), 1960
(https://external-preview.redd.it/RSkzqfpX3mbZsQMdSO-VBmtw69K-N3W21myIADrDcdU.jpg?auto=webp&s=fd036b591962a3c39bc00dea7bb2d57b1d794379)
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29222/the-navys-trouble-new-carrier-still-only-has-two-working-weapons-elevators
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29222/the-navys-trouble-new-carrier-still-only-has-two-working-weapons-elevators
Earlier this year SecNav Spencer said that if the AWEs weren't working by this summer, he'd resign (or should be fired). I wonder if he's going to honor that pledge?
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Only if he's eligible for retirement.
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Well, to be fair. PRESIDENT Ford's elevators didn't all go to the top floor either. ::)
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https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-02/antarctica-polar-star-icebreaker
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This story will make a great way to break the ice at parties about breaking the ice. :applause:
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https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-02/antarctica-polar-star-icebreaker (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-02/antarctica-polar-star-icebreaker)
that was a really good article
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https://news.usni.org/2019/08/09/navy-reverting-ddgs-back-to-physical-throttles-after-fleet-rejects-touchscreen-controls
After the Mccain collision, it was determined that the touch screen controls were too difficult, so going back to physical throttles and controls.
However, there are always exceptions to the rule. When Desron Twelve transited from the East Coast to the Med in August, 1972, we went across with an oiler.
On one refueling event, Manley was pulling away from the oiler and after getting about half a mile away, the refueling detail was secured and the normal watch was set up.
We had been on the port side and after pulling away, the conning officer took the ship to it's assigned screen station. To get there, the helmsman put on a couple of degrees of right rudder.
Then, just like a movie, the ship lost electrical power.
All the lights went out, the radars, the comm gear.
On the bridge everyone was stunned as the helmsman tried to change his course correction. The physical link showed that the rudder made no change as he turned the wheel. With the rudder set in that way, the ship was on a slow motion, gradual turn into the oiler's course.
The oiler had a destroyer on the starboard side, and a new one was hooking up lines on the port, where we had just left. They couldn't avoid us.
We still had steam, so we banged out six short blasts on the horn, the international signal of emergency maneuvering. The signalmen hoisted the "Out of control" signal flag, and using a battery powered signal light informed the other ships.
After steering was told to set up the manual steering gear. This was a difficult process. Using a hand crank, it took something like 32 turns to adjust the massive rudder by one degree. It took a really brawny guy to get the rudder to move.
Down in the engineering spaces, things were really spastic. The battle lanterns automatically kicked on. The Electrician Mates couldn't see any kind of electrical break or fault. All they could think of was to open the generator casing and see if something had gone wrong.
Now, the engineering control room was in the forward engine room. It had an electrical board that the watch used to monitor the output of the electrical generator, and the demand on available electricity. The after engine room had a backup system just like the main one.
No one could figure out what was going wrong. The elctrical power was being generated in copious amount, but it was going nowhere. For some reason, the power wasn't leaving the engine room. The electricians were utterly dumbfounded and were tracing power lines to look for something, anything.
And ever so slowly, Manley was moving into the path of the oiler and refueling destroyers. The destroyers were preparing for emergency break aways, which are always a bit dicey. Too sharp a turn on the rudder, and the wake of the oiler could pull the destroyer's stern in, and cause a collision.
The captain, who was not a good shiphandler, looked at the conning officer, Rob Crawshaw. Rob just said, "We ate the green weanie." They were getting ready to put out on the 1MC general announcing system, to prepare for collision.
Then, suddenly with no warning, the power came on!
The helmsman, Seaman Brush I think, twirled the wheel and screamed, "Rudder has control, sir."
After getting on station, we all wondered what had happened.
Later on the midwatch, the OOD was Elmer McDowell. He was a no nonsense mustang who was Chief Engineer.
What had happned was that when the Refueling Detail was relieved, the electrican on the main board, took off his sound powered phone gear and hung it on a hook. In his hurry, it slipped off the hook, and fell to the deck. On it's way down, it snagged a toggle switch.
Flipping the switch, it routed all the electrical power from the Main control board, to the Secondary control board in the after engine room.
And, since the Secondary control was on standby, the barrel switch for electrical output was at zero. All the electricity went to the after board, and stopped right there.
There is very little in life that is sailor proof.
Oh, and Rob Crawshaw had no recollection of making that comment.
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Japanese Nakajima B5N “Kate” torpedo bombers fly over the ships of the Japanese Navy in the Truk Islands (Chuuk Islands), including Yamato
(https://i.redd.it/dqlu7sakzfg31.jpg)
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HMS Invincible and HMS Illustrious
(https://i.redd.it/hyqgp1xnh5g31.jpg)
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The USS Franklin D. Roosevelt sails down the East River after leaving the Brooklyn Navy Yard in 1945.
(https://i.redd.it/zrfcktx9n5g31.jpg)
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^ That would make a helluva large framed pic for the office wall.
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:bigthumb:
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Very Nice! :applause:
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Coaling day aboard the USS New York (BB-34) as she lies alongside a Jason Class Collier.
(https://i.redd.it/yzr272oxylg31.jpg)
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This picture would cause Al Gore to actually make a face. :o
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No wonder sailors were always scrubbing the decks all day long.
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Dumping it directly on to the deck is an interesting method.
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USS Lexington (CV-2) in December of 1929 using her power plant to provide power to Tacoma Washington after a prolonged drought caused hydroelectric power shortages
(https://i.redd.it/8lo5t0t5ymg31.jpg)
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Dumping it directly on to the deck is an interesting method.
How many OSHA violations can you count? :2funny:
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Lord Nelson-class pre-dreadnought battleship HMS Agamemnon.
(https://i.redd.it/7da54v37atg31.jpg)
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Ohhh. She's pretty! Hey Baby, how about a peek at that full-broadside of yours'? :dreamer:
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Boy, that left a mark.
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The worst nose job since Michael Jackson's. The last one I mean. You know, the one where it kept falling off his face. :notme:
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(https://media1.giphy.com/media/9jc3v7EAPl51C/source.gif)
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French pre-dreadnought 'Jauréguiberry' on sea trials (1896–1897)
(https://i.redd.it/hhqgazzahvk31.jpg)
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Project 1134A Berkut-A/Kresta II class guided missile cruiser Admiral Yumashev
(https://i.redd.it/yint5wnjhpk31.jpg)
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That Head Net radar is so distinctive.
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So are the missiles.
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BBC show on Bismarck. A good compilation of videos and interviews.
Surprising they got John Hillerman (Higgins of Magnum, PI) to narrate.
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Surprising they got John Hillerman (Higgins of Magnum, PI) to narrate.
Particularly since he was a Texan and not remotely English :P
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Or maybe they wanted him for his German accent
(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.gettyimages.com%2Fphotos%2Fpilot-tales-of-the-gold-monkey-airdate-september-22-1982-john-picture-id472922216&f=1&nofb=1)
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Surprising they got John Hillerman (Higgins of Magnum, PI) to narrate.
Particularly since he was a Texan and not remotely English :P
Here he is in 1983.
One can only wonder how thick his Texas drawl was before listening to those 100's of hours of Laurence Olivier recordings.
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Wow, had forgotten Hillerman was in that wacky, Tales of the Gold Monkey show.
They were trying for that Raiders of the Lost Ark meets Casablanca vibe. The Abwehr was all over the south Pacific in this.
Hillerman shows up at about 3:50, but enjoy all those nutty nazis.
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Had that great Mike Post & Pete Carpenter theme
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I'd heard of that show but never watched it. Shame on me.
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I'd heard of that show but never watched it. Shame on me.
It was fun if you were 10 years old. Doesn't exactly hold up now. Especially because of Stephen Collins.
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I'd heard of that show but never watched it. Shame on me.
It was fun if you were 10 years old. Doesn't exactly hold up now. Especially because of Stephen Collins.
I suppose... but still, it has cartoon Nazis and a Grumman Widgeon!
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And Roddy McDowall!
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I've always like Roddy McDowall. He was good in Fright Night.
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:bigthumb:
I never did see the remake.
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USS Savannah (CL 42) Is hit by a German radio-controlled bomb, while supporting Allied forces ashore during the Salerno operation, 11 September 1943.
The bomb hit the top of the ship's number three 6"/47 gun turret and penetrated deep into her hull before exploding. The photograph shows the explosion venting through the top of the turret and also through Savannah's hull below the waterline.
The bomb impact was initially a huge crash, followed seconds later by a massive explosion that lifted the ship right out of the water, and knocked everyone to the deck. The bomb passed through the turret top, killed everyone inside, and exploded at the keel, blowing the bottom of the ship out and causing a huge geyser of water and debris to come out the port side a little forward of the bridge. It covered us with water, and almost immediately smoke started pouring from the hole in the turret. We all figured the magazine would explode at any second, but it didn’t. When the bomb exploded it blew out the keel directly under the magazine, and the water flooded the magazine before it had a chance to go off.
The explosion blew open both the #2 and #1 magazines forward, and killed most everyone in the bow forward of the #3 turret.
The instant flooding of the #3 magazine of the USS Savannah was providential or she likely would have been lost just like the Italian Battleship Roma was lost to a massive magazine explosion after a Fritz X bomb penetrated her turret & magazine.
A motor torpedo boat (PT) is passing by in the foreground at the instant of the explosion of the Fritz X Bomb.
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Thinking about the Fritz X strike on Savannah.
From the description, it sounds like the blast effected the forward part of the ship and didn't go aft. This probably resulted from a lateral bulkhead in front of the forward engineering spaces.
I'm not familiar with the pre-war internal subdivisions on warships like Savannah. Post war, destroyers were designed with five watertight spaces. Forward engine room and boiler room, Damage Control central, and after engine room and boiler room.
These were each seperated by bulkheads that had no openings. If you were in the aft engine room and wanted to go to the boiler room, you had to go up to the main deck and then down a ladder.
This was based on damage from kamekazes and torpedoes. As long as three of the spaces had integrity, the ship had positive buoyancy.
These bulkheads, and the main deck, were the only "armored" areas of the ship.
Don't know what a Brooklyn class cruiser had.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29744/the-navys-oldest-attack-submarine-goes-out-on-top-after-circumnavigating-the-globe
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688 Attack Sub was a classic game. Hadn't thought about it until I read that ^.
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I still have 688i stashed somewhere
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HMS Suffolk. Bombed in Scapa Flow during the 1940 Norway campaign, took on 1500 tons of seawater.
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https://twitter.com/HMSQNLZ/status/1174696365533880325
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7484261/HMS-Prince-Wales-bomb-site-Sailors-board-3-2bn-warship-slam-crew-quarters.html
Prince of Wales leaves Rosyth.
As usual the yard left a lot of spaces unfinished. That's not unusual.
The wardroom looks very posh. Reminds me of the Italian battleship Roma's officer country. That worked out well.
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French armorec cruiser,. Edgar Quinet, 1914. She escorted troop convoys to France from North Africa and could have mixed it up with Goeben.
Six stacks, square portholes, forty boilers (!), and a wine tank.
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https://twitter.com/iAmTheWarax/status/1176141085577568256
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Newsreel on USS Arizona. First seven minutes are pre war activities. Some good pictures of loading procedures on the guns.
An old bosun mate served on Arkansas in the 30s. They kept the crew busy, because bored sailors with high explosives is a dangerous mix. Twice a week, the fire hoses were taken topside and scrubbed down, whether they needed it or not.
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Pskov, a Sierra-class SSN in Kola Bay (Murmansk Fjord) || August 2019
(https://i.redd.it/okmtfnw83lo31.jpg)
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USS West Virginia (BB-48) in the ABSD floating drydock at Espiritu Santo, November 1944.
(https://i.imgur.com/z1kgtex.jpg)
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USS Long Beach being scrapped
(https://i.redd.it/vfppn6vkgjo31.jpg)
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The UK Carrier Strike Group on Westlant 19 - Queen Elizabeth, Dragon, Northumberland and Tideforce
(https://i.redd.it/ydaosd8v0eo31.jpg)
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HMS Eagle operating with HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark during the Suez Crisis. October 1956
(https://i.imgur.com/eUYpnnL.jpg)
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USS West Virginia (BB-48) in the ABSD floating drydock at Espiritu Santo, November 1944.
(https://i.imgur.com/z1kgtex.jpg)
Great photo! Look at all the AA nests added on. :o
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HMS Eagle operating with HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark during the Suez Crisis. October 1956
(https://i.imgur.com/eUYpnnL.jpg)
Those were the days!
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The UK Carrier Strike Group on Westlant 19 - Queen Elizabeth, Dragon, Northumberland and Tideforce
(https://i.redd.it/ydaosd8v0eo31.jpg)
Seems to be something missing..................Oh yes, aircraft!
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The UK Carrier Strike Group on Westlant 19 - Queen Elizabeth, Dragon, Northumberland and Tideforce
(https://i.redd.it/ydaosd8v0eo31.jpg)
Seems to be something missing..................Oh yes, aircraft!
Coming soon...
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Ha! we've heard that one before :tickedoff:
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Canadian Oberon-class submarine HMCS Onondaga in a precarious position, caused by a mistake during transport to its final resting location at Pointe-au-Père, Rimouski, Québec as a museum ship, 3 September 2008
(https://i.redd.it/bk6g7zwmbto31.jpg)
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oops...
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That's the way Canadians park their cars when they come down here in the Fall too. Must be an after effect of that beer they have up there. ::)
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oops...
....left hand down a bit, Number One....................
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29987/this-old-tanker-looks-like-its-about-to-sink-but-its-just-doing-its-job-for-the-marines
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USS Iowa anchored at sunset, 3 Mar 1986.
(https://i.redd.it/kzu8427zoyo31.jpg)
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That ship's so pretty I wouldn't even mind being run-over by it. :dreamer:
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FS Latouche-Tréville (D646) in stormy sea
(https://i.redd.it/221p3ei7yip31.jpg)
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Battlecruisers HMS Hood and HMS Repulse, during the Empire World Cruise 1923-24
(https://i.redd.it/sybqyvm3pep31.jpg)
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Look, Bob! Your aircraft carriers CAN carry aircraft!
(https://i.redd.it/v2liei6i9ip31.jpg)
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USS Savannah (CL 42) Is hit by a German radio-controlled bomb, while supporting Allied forces ashore during the Salerno operation, 11 September 1943.
The bomb hit the top of the ship's number three 6"/47 gun turret and penetrated deep into her hull before exploding. The photograph shows the explosion venting through the top of the turret and also through Savannah's hull below the waterline.
The bomb impact was initially a huge crash, followed seconds later by a massive explosion that lifted the ship right out of the water, and knocked everyone to the deck. The bomb passed through the turret top, killed everyone inside, and exploded at the keel, blowing the bottom of the ship out and causing a huge geyser of water and debris to come out the port side a little forward of the bridge. It covered us with water, and almost immediately smoke started pouring from the hole in the turret. We all figured the magazine would explode at any second, but it didn’t. When the bomb exploded it blew out the keel directly under the magazine, and the water flooded the magazine before it had a chance to go off.
The explosion blew open both the #2 and #1 magazines forward, and killed most everyone in the bow forward of the #3 turret.
The instant flooding of the #3 magazine of the USS Savannah was providential or she likely would have been lost just like the Italian Battleship Roma was lost to a massive magazine explosion after a Fritz X bomb penetrated her turret & magazine.
A motor torpedo boat (PT) is passing by in the foreground at the instant of the explosion of the Fritz X Bomb.
Diagram detailing the damage done to Savannah
(https://i.imgur.com/orWeHBD.jpg)
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Great find!
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Look, Bob! Your aircraft carriers CAN carry aircraft!
(https://i.redd.it/v2liei6i9ip31.jpg)
Photoshopped......................obviously!
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Look, Bob! Your aircraft carriers CAN carry aircraft!
(https://i.redd.it/v2liei6i9ip31.jpg)
and they've got both of the ones they can afford out there at the same time!
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So that helo in back must be grounded until the next fiscal quarter
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Look, Bob! Your aircraft carriers CAN carry aircraft!
(https://i.redd.it/v2liei6i9ip31.jpg)
and they've got both of the ones they can afford out there at the same time!
baby steps
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They probably landed there by mistake. After all, I don't see a Union Jack anywhere.
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You're making the assumption that they could fly that far?
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An old tradition is to send the newby's on a search.
They'd be told to get a bucket of steam, three yards of water level line, a quart of relative bearing grease, or something nonexistent like those. They could spend a day going from space to space. It was harmless and helped them learn their way around.
On Manley there was a routine that was pure evil. There were twin brothers on board and they had a great act.
The midwatch bosun would send the messenger to the bosun's locker for a container of relative bearing grease. When he visited the space, one of the twins would be standing around while the duty bosun would tell the kid he would find the grease in the radio shack.
Dutifully, the kid would go to radio, and the other twin would be standing around, while the watch said to go to after steering.
This went on for about six spaces, and the whole ship would make bets on how many compartments the kid would visit before he realised that one guy was always waiting for him.
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https://twitter.com/cctv_idiots/status/1178635212915449856
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Is that, 'The Ballad of the Edmund Fitzgerald' I hear playing in the background?
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Its a bit...rough.
................after you with the bucket.........................
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Missouri sends a note to the Republican Guard.
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Akagi during the Indian Ocean raid. On the left is Hiryu and Soryu. Behind the battlecruisers are Shokaku and Zuikaku.
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The colorization techniques have vastly improved
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That's a cool shot.
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HMS Dragon conducting sea boat operations, Westlant 19
(https://i.redd.it/r2yzlmzpkdq31.jpg)
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Is the giant Dalek in the center there to ex-term-in-ate? :P
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Akagi during the Indian Ocean raid. On the left is Hiryu and Soryu. Behind the battlecruisers are Shokaku and Zuikaku.
I've always wondered if the Akagi's designers were left-handed...
Is the giant Dalek in the center there to ex-term-in-ate? :P
That's really the top of a disguised OGRE. The rest is below the waterline, treads rolling on the sea floor.
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https://www.history.navy.mil/news-and-events/news/2019/Hampton_Roads_Naval_Museum_Makes_Final_Preparations_Prior_to_Re-opening.html
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HMS Trenchant and HMS Iron Duke's embarked Wildcat helicopter, Exercise Saxon Warrior 2017
(https://i.redd.it/l07x4g8eisq31.jpg)
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Peresviet-class pre-dreadnought battleship Oslyabya of the Imperial Russian Navy leaving Bizerte, Tunisia — 27 December 1903
(https://i.redd.it/vkoo6uoedsq31.jpg)
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Her trip to the Far East the following year didn't turn out too well... :(
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Or for any other ships from the 2nd pacific Fleet.
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A few turned out ok. They just started self-identifying as Japanese...
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A Fairey Fulmar fighter taking off from HMS Victorious as the ship lay at anchor in Scapa Flow, March 1942.
(https://i.imgur.com/Cxblefz.jpg)
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Great picture :bigthumb:
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The IWM has an amazing collection for sure.
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USS Wichita (CA-45) serving with the Home Fleet, April, 1942, USS Tuscaloosa (CA-37) follows.
(https://i.imgur.com/HmetmVM.jpg)
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Love those Curtis Seagulls!
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https://twitter.com/MartelleMichael/status/1180811083965243393
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HMS Nelson equipped with UP Launchers on her main turrets.
UP or "Unrotated Projectile" Launchers were 20 round rocket launchers designed to form a protective barrier against attacking aircraft. Rockets were fired 10 at a time.
the UP rockets were not direct fire weapons.
Once they reached a preset distance from the ship they would deploy a mine suspended from three parachutes via a length of wire. Aircraft that flew into the wires would detonate the mine. The idea was that that launchers could create an aerial minefield around the ship.
However, the minefield was rarely dense enough to provide an obstacle to attacking aircraft. In addition, the slightest wind could disperse the mines over a wide area, even onto friendly ships and even back onto the ship that launched them. Last but not least, the supply of rockets stashed aboard a ship posed a significant fire hazard. During her final battle, HMS Hood took a hit on her boat deck that ignited her UP rockets, causing a large fire.
Though an interesting concept, the weapon was largely ineffective and quickly removed from British ships in 1941 in favor of additional AA guns.
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Very interesting - I had not read about that before :bigthumb:
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Mines on parachutes. What could go wrong there? :notme:
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Mines on parachutes. What could go wrong there? :notme:
Next thing you know someone will think of attaching small incendiaries to swarms of bats...
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1181547126863679488
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Sometimes I think my fo`c'sle is seriously damaged.
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If you would stop bombing it, maybe give it a break for a night or two?
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Plastic surgery has come a long way.
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Its due to the heat, y'know.
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That's a pretty fo'c'ed-up fo'c'sle all right. From my experience, if your back is broken, you're fo'c'ing all wrong.
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That's a pretty fo'c'ed-up fo'c'sle all right. From my experience, if your back is broken, you're fo'c'ing all wrong.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/cfUMNY4RfGhEc/giphy.webp?cid=790b7611bdde0f8c3790ddbe7fa1ad0f86c8b99ccf5e5736&rid=giphy.webp)
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(https://i.redd.it/ejmk0ls96jr31.jpg)
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(https://i.redd.it/p7ee48hl1lr31.jpg)
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Looks like the RN budget cuts have resulted in, 'alternative' means of ship-to-shore transportation. :hehe:
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No one is actually allowed to get too near the carrier in case they discover that it is actually only an Airfix plastic kit.
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It looks very realistic. The RN must have gotten that SteamGeezer guy on youtube to build it for them.
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Correct.
...........the bits for the aircraft have not turned up yet, though.
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October 10, 2019. Houston, Texas. Currently...
Our USS Texas now listing 9° ...
Looks like this will end badly. Past the point where a quick fix will solve the problem. The longer the state of Texas puts off major repairs, the bigger the final bill will be.
This is why museum ships can be so hard. Hull deterioration doesn't stop at the pier.
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USS South Dakota and USS Alabama underway in the Atlantic Ocean, 1943. Photo taken from HMS King George V.
(https://i.redd.it/1t9il6d78pr31.png)
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Good picture :bigthumb:
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Very nice! :applause:
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Austro Hungarian battleship Szent Istvan sinks on 11 June, 1918. Sistership Tegetthof standing by.
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USS Nevada (BB-36) wearing her last paint job. Designated as the target ship for "Able" test, she was painted a bright red color to help distinguish her from the other ships. Her color was supposed to allow the bombardier to accurately drop the nuke on her.
However, the bomb was off by 1700 yards and Nevada survived. The second test, "Baker" detonated another nuclear bomb underneath the water. Nevada was damaged, but survived again.
She was then towed to Pearl Harbor to be thoroughly examined and then decommissioned. After this, she was expended as a target. The battleship Iowa (BB-61) and two other warships pummeled Nevada for over an hour. However, Nevada still tenaciously refused to sink. Finally, a torpedo was used to send her to the bottom.
Despite Pearl Harbor, two nuclear bombs, and a bombardment by other battleships, Nevada would not go down quietly.
Now, here's one for the braintrust, an old sea story:
there is a possibility that when she was finally sunk, she may have been sunk with a fortune in silver in her engine room. It was placed there during her rebuild after Pearl Harbor, to replace her corroded copper electrical bus bars, as at the time, copper was in critically short supply. As such, the navy withdrew some two million dollars (in 1942 money) of silver bullion from the US Mint, and had it melted down and rolled out into bus bars. They were then painted to conceal their nature from most of the crew. The chief engineer was given the task of inspecting them frequently to make sure people were not "scraping off a poke for shore leave". However, there was no mention of their recovery prior to the atomic bomb tests...in fact, except for the paint, most everything was left in working condition to judge the overall effect of the bombs on the ship (should she survive). The entire ship was flooded by the wave that engulfed her after the first blast, so if the bars were still present, they would have been too contaminated to recover afterward. It is also possible that they were forgotten about entirely. Sadly, at this point, we will never know, as she sits in some 2 miles of water off Hawaii, and the bus bars would be in the deepest bowels of the ship.
The other question is, if the silver was taken off, was it returned to the Mint?
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Awesome - thanks for posting that :bigthumb:
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That will leave a mark.
A little wire brush, a little red lead...
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Must have been my Ex-Wife. She used to park the car the same way.
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That's what you get when you try to use a regular size launch rail with a jumboship.
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Monday at the Homer Simpson Shipyard. :doh:
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Three Akizuki-class destroyers
(https://i.redd.it/65m8p452gvs31.jpg)
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Soviet Kashin class guided missile destroyer Sposobnyy underway in the Sea of Japan, 1982.
(https://i.redd.it/y2boy9k1xvs31.png)
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JS Shimakaze (DDG-172) Tokyo Bay 16OCT19
(https://i.redd.it/fvd5x92yaus31.png)
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Someone has an, 'Asian Fetish' going on today. :-X
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The battleship California was launched at Mare Island Naval Shipyard in Vallejo in 1919. The ship failed to stop in the channel and continued across coming to rest in the mud on the Vallejo side, smashing into a dock before stopping.
There were young boys on the pilings, watching the launch. Seeing the hull bearing down on them, they leaped into the water ahead of the collision.
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That sounds like California all right. :hehe:
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A collision at sea, can ruin your whole day.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1985-04-13-8501140353-story.html
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They wont patch that with fibreglass and duct tape!
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enough duct tape and blue plastic tarps will fix anything
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That NEVER would've happened on board the Enterprise with Sulu driving. >:( Scotty maybe, but not Sulu.
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Damage to USS Tripoli after striking a mine. 1991, Gulf War
(https://i.redd.it/70jdldni02t31.jpg)
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HMS Dreadnought in 1907 as flagship of the Home Fleet
(https://i.redd.it/ycl5lc9is4t31.jpg)
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Isn't she pretty. Are you single Darling? :dreamer:
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-military-carrier-exclusive-idUSKBN1WW0KM
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-military-carrier-exclusive-idUSKBN1WW0KM
That is concerning, on so many levels. Maybe not for today, or tomorrow, but in 20-30 years...
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When the Essex class carriers were built, there was a lot of unused building capacity left over after World War I and the Great Depression. We didn't need that much new infrastructure. This is very troubling.
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The only thing I find encouraging, and the article mentioned this, that the Chinese aren't nearly up on fleet tactics surrounding supercarrier operations, not the way the West is, and especially the U.S. is. We've had decades of experience at it and I can only hope that counts for something.
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All you have to do is sell 'em the F-35 and we're laughing...................
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I doubt they'd touch those...they probably sold us most of the electronics that go into 'em :ROFL:
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Yeah, you'd have to be daft to buy those.........................oh wait.................
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HMS Trenchant on slipway. 1945
(https://i.imgur.com/MAaZsQ6.png)
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French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle
(https://i.imgur.com/oHQ26N5.jpg)
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HMS Trenchant on slipway. 1945
(https://i.imgur.com/MAaZsQ6.png)
This is the sub that sank the Japanese heavy cruiser Ashigara
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You been watching this, Bob?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0009v3f?fbclid=IwAR1QxyChfN1emiMf4tSykaWrvhDi8iQWFeLV-h9i5dsELY3XHK1p-KzKKHQ
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No I haven't. I think the whole thing is a waste of money and effort. Me no happy :(
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Watch the BBC propaganda piece and you'll feel better about the whole thing.
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lol - I doubt it.
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1952, living conditions on an aircraft carrier.
https://www.facebook.com/RankerAnatomicallyCorrect/videos/255521422046332/?t=3
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1186384259478622208
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:bigthumb:
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Russia has once more decided to proceed with the long delayed refurbishment and upgrade of its nuclear-powered Kirov class battlecruiser the 28,000 ton Admiral Nakhimov.
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20191022.aspx
This is probably more about finding work for shipyard workers and having prestige for Russia, than a real need of the fleet.
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Scorched rocket launchers line the deck of the Inshore Fire Support Ship USS LSM(R)-401 following an artillery barrage off the Korean Coast in late 1951
(https://i.redd.it/46kwb60zc3u31.jpg)
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Nice find! :bigthumb:
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Battle of "Trafalga?" ???
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21st October, 1805.
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I was just being a smart-arse. The text in the video says "Battle of Trafalga" when it's Trafalgar. ;D
Pretty damned impressive broadsides, though.
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Impressive! I used to know a girl with an impressive broadside but nothing compared to that. :applause:
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I was just being a smart-arse. The text in the video says "Battle of Trafalga" when it's Trafalgar. ;D
Pretty damned impressive broadsides, though.
Oh! I just never think of you being a smart-arse, that's why I missed it ::) :whistle:
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Guess you could say the guy in the video forgot his, 'R' but remembered to cross his, 'T'. ::)
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French Scorpene-class submarine
(https://i.imgur.com/Xl9FYmO.jpg)
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HMS Queen Elizabeth with 6 British F35Bs embarked
(https://i.redd.it/zgaxxjarycu31.jpg)
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Look Bob! They got airplanes on board now! :o
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And I think I see a Wave Motion Gun.
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HMS Queen Elizabeth with 6 British F35Bs embarked
(https://i.redd.it/zgaxxjarycu31.jpg)
Those master scale modelers never cease to amaze me!
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:2funny:
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Photoshopped, again!
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A comparison of British and American anti-aircraft fire control systems in World War II.
This Committee's major conclusion in regards to destroyers was that high level bombers would only be passing the destroyers on their way to strike at capital ships and that they would not be attacking the destroyers directly. An analysis in this report showed that attacking aircraft flying at a height of 5,000 feet and at a distance of 5,000 yards (1,525 m and 4,570 m) would only be 18 degrees above the horizon. For that reason, the Committee concluded that 'future destroyers should not be fitted with a dual purpose armament' and recommended a maximum main gunnery elevation of only 40 degrees.
No analysis of HACS would be complete without a brief mention of the contemporary USA's Mark 37 Gunfire Control System (GFCS), some of which were also supplied to the Royal Navy. In British terms, these were "HA/LA" systems, that is, they were intended for use against both aircraft and surface targets. This system was first introduced into service on the destroyer USS Sims (DD-409) in early 1940 and was quickly adopted for all new US warship construction of destroyer size and larger. Some auxiliaries built pre-war were also equipped with this unit. The Mark 37 GFCS differed from previous US directors by having the analog computer and stable vertical mounted below decks in order to reduce the size and weight of the director itself. An important feature of this system was that AA time fuzes were automatically - and continuously - set in the shell hoists, which not only eliminated a source of human error, but also meant that the rate of fire was not affected by the skill and speed of a human fuze setter, thus allowing faster firing cycles. This feature allowed ships to fire whatever barrels were ready at any given time, again resulting in an appreciably faster rate of fire. This continuous fuze setting also meant that these ships could fire a 'rolling barrage' pattern that followed the aircraft target as it moved through the sky, unlike the 'once and done' barrage pattern.
Full comparison: https://www.quora.com/Were-British-warships-as-effective-in-thwarting-Japanese-Kamikaze-attacks-as-American-warships-were/answer/Trent-Telenko
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Famous photo of the Texas colorised. Very pretty.
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1:50 scale cutaway model of dreadnought battleship Viribus Unitis from 1912/1913, Museum of Military History, Vienna
(https://i.redd.it/r1x8vk1tlhv31.jpg)
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The lead ship of her class of pre-dreadnought battleships, HMS Trafalgar.
(https://i.redd.it/vo20da3lbiv31.jpg)
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/30728/russia-sends-ten-subs-into-north-atlantic-in-drill-unprecedented-in-size-since-cold-war
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/30728/russia-sends-ten-subs-into-north-atlantic-in-drill-unprecedented-in-size-since-cold-war
Probably has something to do with this:
New Russian submarine test fires intercontinental missile for first time (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-defence-submarine/new-russian-submarine-test-fires-intercontinental-missile-for-first-time-idUSKBN1X91CF)
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Any bets how many of them will come back? ::)
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Mark 56 Gunfire Control System.
https://www.eugeneleeslover.com/USNAVY/CHAPTER-26-E.html
One of the reasons radar is better than optical fire control.
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Zuikaku and Kaga, in the background, on course to Pearl Harbor, November. 1941
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heavy cruisers USS Salt Lake City (CA-25), USS Pensacola (CA-24) and USS New Orleans (CA-32) (listed from left to right) nested together at Pearl Harbor, 31 October 1943. Ford Island is at the left, with the battleship USS Oklahoma (BB-37) under salvage at the extreme left, just beyond Salt Lake City's forward superstructure. Note the radar antennas, gun directors and 8-inch guns on these three heavy cruisers. Two New Mexico-class battleships are visible in the background between Pensacola and New Orleans.
The Treaty cruisers were built to stay within the 10,000 ton limit and were quite limited as a result. For example, Japanese heavy cruisers, like Ashigara, is now rated as 17,000 tons. Also, there was a difference of doctrine. US cruisers were designed for long range action, while the IJN designed for night fighting.
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Fifty miles off Honshu.
Uss Franklin assisted by Light Cruiser Santa Fe. 19 March, 1945.
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1192185821329272832
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I recognize that airport! I spent almost four months at Gitmo. :sigh:
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Was that for being Bin Laden's driver, or were you hiding from an old girlfriend? Or both?
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No, they wanted to take Belgium from me but I refused. I was exiled to Guantanamo and given sovereignty over Cuba. And I was allowed to retain the title of Emperor.
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No, they wanted to take Belgium from me but I refused. I was exiled to Guantanamo and given sovereignty over Cuba. And I was allowed to retain the title of Emperor.
If you'd have taken the deal and not snuck back home one night you never would have ended up on Pitcairn Island in the end. At least everyone knows your name there...
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I bet that gave you time to work on your tan. :bigthumb:
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Pretty sure most of us are so white, we're reflective.
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Pretty sure most of us are so white, we're reflective.
There are some of us that have been to Origins that know the truth. :whistle:
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Yes, some of us have, SEVERAL times. :P
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You know I'd go if I could, but its a long way to hitch-hike.
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French armored cruiser Chanzy, wrecked on the China coast, circa 30 May 1907. She has lighters alongside, probably removing gear in an attempt to get her off, and appears to still have steam up.
(https://i.imgur.com/TInlQml.png)
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"Damn the coast. Full speed ahead"! :doh:
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Naval attack on Fort Sumter.
Will Coffey enhanced eighteen photos. To see the rest
https://www.facebook.com/1566713610242236/photos/a.2498307613749493/2498308880416033/?type=3&theater
This photo shows at least three monitors and USS New Ironsides at the far right.
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Below decks on the HMS Eagle, view taken from lift. The variety of aircraft include, from left above: a Gannet, a Wessex Anti-submarine helicopter, and a Scimitar. Below are Buccaneers, the Navy's low level strike aircraft. Jan 1965
(https://i.imgur.com/LZ9GlTV.jpg)
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Good one!
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I'd love to go back to the IWM someday.
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I've never been :-(
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Artists Conception of the USS United States (CVA-58), the Lead Ship of a new class of Carrier, whose Keel was laid and then cancelled 5 Days later. LIFE Magazine, May 2, 1949
(https://i.redd.it/hjy15ble9ny31.png)
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HMS Bulwark (R08) moored next to the Doge's Palace in Venice
(https://i.redd.it/hfppl3kklmy31.jpg)
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I've never been :-(
It's been 30 years for me and I was too young to fully appreciate it.
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OK, lets get it sorted; you'll have to push my wheelchair though.
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Artists Conception of the USS United States (CVA-58), the Lead Ship of a new class of Carrier, whose Keel was laid and then cancelled 5 Days later. LIFE Magazine, May 2, 1949
So dey keeled da program?
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HMS Bulwark (R08) moored next to the Doge's Palace in Venice
(https://i.redd.it/hfppl3kklmy31.jpg)
they could get even closer to the palace this week
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Yeah, it looked pretty bad from what we saw on TV. There has been some bad flooding in the UK as well, especially in the low lying area's such as Lincolnshire.
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https://twitter.com/navalhistorian/status/1194761647556059136
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Austro-Hungarian battleship squadron on maneuvers before start of WW1, 1914
(https://i.redd.it/3miry9l8z2z31.jpg)
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The Coral Sea was a little different.
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Destroyer Escort USS Fiske broken in two and sinking in the North Atlantic after being torpedoed by German submarine U-804, 2 August 1944.
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Look at all those sailors along the stern railing and sliding down the side of the rolling bow!
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Great pic. :applause:
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There is always something sad about seeing a ship go down, no matter who's it is.
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HMS Hermes launching a de Havilland Sea Vixen, more are parked on the right of the pic and few Blackburn Buccaneers can also be seen in the back. 1966
(https://i.redd.it/0df48m8atmz31.png)
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That is a fantastic picture :bigthumb:
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Otvazhny, a Soviet Kashin-class destroyer built for the Black Sea Fleet during the 1960 sinks after a rocket engine ignited and caused an explosion that set the ship on fire. August 30th, 1974.
(https://i.redd.it/nuvcjxg0y0041.png)
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Gilliganov!!!!!!!
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Gilliganov!!!!!!!
:2funny:
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Wasn't that the only time the Russian Navy actually sank a ship? ::) Other than Nuclear Subs I mean.
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It could all be maskirovka............
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31121/how-the-ohio-class-guided-missile-sub-was-born-and-why-theyre-much-more-than-meets-the-eye
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Not really sure where to put this or how to embed a twitter video, but this is pretty cool.
https://twitter.com/Havenlust/status/1198232753499709442
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you have to paste the tweet into the window here in "text" mode, and then make sure there's no "?" on the end of the tweet with anything after it.
sometimes it'll still work if you don't follow those guidelines, but not reliably.
if you do follow them, it works about 99% of the time
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you have to paste the tweet into the window here in "text" mode, and then make sure there's no "?" on the end of the tweet with anything after it.
sometimes it'll still work if you don't follow those guidelines, but not reliably.
if you do follow them, it works about 99% of the time
Thanks!
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HMS Coventry rolling over after a missile strike in the Falklands.
She rolled over about twenty minutes after being struck twice. The Royal Navy training school, HMS Raleigh, took this to heart and in their exercises, the trainees have to save the ship in about 27 minutes.
In a show of stiff upper lip, the crew in liferafts sang Always Look on the Bright Side of Life by Monty Python.
Have to wonder if they followed that great Royal Navy tradition and cleaned out the rum locker before going over the side.
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I remember it all too well.
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Yep. That and several others. A costly little war money wise for the UK.
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I have a question for those more in tune with ship classes - I'm doing a basic re-write of an old game (Hunt for Red October). It doesn't explain the different ship classes (e.g., FF, SSN, etc.) so I thought I'd put a brief description (a sentence or two) in there. I was able to garner quite a bit of info online, but one class I'm not certain of is the FFL. I know that's a Light Frigate, but what is a Light Frigate's mission, in one or two sentences, as opposed to a regular FF?
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I have a question for those more in tune with ship classes - I'm doing a basic re-write of an old game (Hunt for Red October). It doesn't explain the different ship classes (e.g., FF, SSN, etc.) so I thought I'd put a brief description (a sentence or two) in there. I was able to garner quite a bit of info online, but one class I'm not certain of is the FFL. I know that's a Light Frigate, but what is a Light Frigate's mission, in one or two sentences, as opposed to a regular FF?
It is Frigate Light. Must be an old designation because modern frigates are already pretty light types. I imagine they are dedicated ASW ships with little to no Anti-Air/Anti-surface capability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hull_classifications#F
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirka-class_frigate
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French Richelieu class battleship Jean Bart
(https://i.redd.it/i12tmn3l7t041.jpg)
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HMS Victorious on a visit to New York, early 1960's. In the background is the French Liner Liberte.
(https://i.imgur.com/RjcFYx6.jpg)
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Are those Sea Vixens and Scimitars on the flight deck, along with a couple of Gannets?
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Looks like
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JS KAGA (DDH-184) (left) and JS IZUMO (DDH-183), Tokyo Bay, 26NOV19
(https://i.redd.it/dmm4x0ufmx041.png)
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^ One quarter of a Kido Butai.
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Uh-oh...Kaga, Part 2. :D
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Banzai, in regards to FFL. I asked a number of people with some knowledge of the fleet. Here is the most complete answer:
"OK - My guess it is not a USN designation for any real ships - there's never been a FFL-1. I suspect that "light frigate" is a name for a proposal. The Navy is calling the follow-on to the LCS a "frigate", and the " FFG(X)", and some shipbuildears are calling proposals for their own LCS-sized ships "light multirole frigates". Of course, it could relate to some forgotten proposal of years ago."
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Thanks mirth and besilarius, much appreciated.
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USS Robin, AKA HMS Victorious, is refueled by USS Cimarron on 12 July 1943. On 27 June, TF14 was redesignated Task Group 36.3 and sailed to provide cover for the invasion of New Georgia (part of Operation Cartwheel).
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Thanks mirth and besilarius, much appreciated.
Out of curiosity, what types in the Red October game are designated FFLs? Are they mainly Soviet or are there NATO types?
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Not sure offhand. It's the HFRO game from 1988 or so. It's not a deep nor heavy game.
Some complaints on BGG about the rules so I decided I might try to reformat it as I have time.
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BGG has a counter manifest file that shows the FFLs as Soviet types which makes sense as the Sovs built a lot of small ASW types for inshore work.
The HFRO game is decent for what it is - a light modern naval game. I have fond memories of it and the RSR game because they were some of the earliest wargames I played.
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I'm still trying to find someone to trade their RSR to me on BGG. The closest I've come thus far is a guy that wants either my copy of Star Wars Rebellion or Imperial Assault. :2funny:
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I keep an eye out for them at flea market tables and such. They aren't great games, but for 20 bucks I'd snag a copy for the nostalgia.
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I'm still trying to find someone to trade their RSR to me on BGG. The closest I've come thus far is a guy that wants either my copy of Star Wars Rebellion or Imperial Assault. :2funny:
If I've still got Red Storm Rising up in the loft, you're welcome to it. I don't know what postage would be like though. You mean Red Storm Rising by TSR right? I did have it. I don't know if I sold it at a car boot sale of it's still up in the loft. I'll check and let you know.
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If JD can't find his, I got one you could maybe trade for... 8)
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On December 28, 1944, while transporting ammunition to Mindoro, Philippines, a Japanese kamikaze, flying an Aichi D3A "Val", chose the SS John Burke as his target and crashed into Burke at around 1020 hours. Few seconds later it disintegrated in a tremendous explosion. All souls were lost. Several ships nearby were damaged by the force of the blast and flying fragments. One of them sank before it was identified. One of the most powerful non-nuclear explosions in history.
https://www.facebook.com/argunnersmagazine/videos/344589332942325/?t=0
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Holy cow that was a big explosion!
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I'm still trying to find someone to trade their RSR to me on BGG. The closest I've come thus far is a guy that wants either my copy of Star Wars Rebellion or Imperial Assault. :2funny:
If I've still got Red Storm Rising up in the loft, you're welcome to it. I don't know what postage would be like though. You mean Red Storm Rising by TSR right? I did have it. I don't know if I sold it at a car boot sale of it's still up in the loft. I'll check and let you know.
Yes indeed, RSR by TSR. Well sure, we can certainly look into it if you do, thank you much for looking. 8)
If JD can't find his, I got one you could maybe trade for... 8)
Pretty sure I might have a game or two you'd be interested in, ha.
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Aircraft carrier HMS Indefatigable, Queen Charlotte Sound, New Zealand, November 1945
(https://i.redd.it/8t9xc4fbo8141.jpg)
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Good picture, that :bigthumb:
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Royal Navy's Astute class nuclear attack submarines under construction
(https://i.imgur.com/19HTyiX.jpg)
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HMS Illustrious, 23 February 1983. 9 Harriers and 9 helicopters are on deck, also visible are the Sea Dart system and emergency Phalanx fit
(https://i.redd.it/87lvj53wl8141.png)
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USS Forrestal (CV-59) Underway in 1987
(https://i.redd.it/l0ivndidp1141.jpg)
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HMS Comet refueling from the French aircraft carrier Bois Belleau during exercises in the Mediterranean, May 1957
(https://i.imgur.com/CNQwPMB.jpg)
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Corellian Engineering Corp, YT-Series, YT-1300f (492727ZED) Light Freighter under construction - CEC Orbital 7 Shipyards, 60 BBY
(https://i.imgur.com/jiBy7UV.jpg)
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What a great picture :bigthumb:
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Are the secret Smuggler-Cargo compartments optional or standard?
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(nerd-spasm)
Is it just me or does the scale of the ship seem slightly off as compared to scenes shot in the cockpit, judging by the size of the guys working on it?
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Looks fine to me
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Delta class SSBN out of the water
(https://i.redd.it/sm27fk5lgh141.jpg)
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Could do with a coat of paint.
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Sure, that's all it really needs.
I mean, it's not as if they can afford to put it back in the water anyway...
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One careful owner who only took it out on Sunday afternoons.
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Damn. You think the crew's still in there? :o
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Considering what a Soviet shipyard was like, that's where I'd hide.
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USS Spruance (DD-963) underway in the Caribbean Sea, 2002
(https://i.redd.it/c1esgu6l7r141.jpg)
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Pretty! :dreamer:
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I'm still trying to find someone to trade their RSR to me on BGG. The closest I've come thus far is a guy that wants either my copy of Star Wars Rebellion or Imperial Assault. :2funny:
If I've still got Red Storm Rising up in the loft, you're welcome to it. I don't know what postage would be like though. You mean Red Storm Rising by TSR right? I did have it. I don't know if I sold it at a car boot sale of it's still up in the loft. I'll check and let you know.
Yes indeed, RSR by TSR. Well sure, we can certainly look into it if you do, thank you much for looking. 8)
If JD can't find his, I got one you could maybe trade for... 8)
Pretty sure I might have a game or two you'd be interested in, ha.
Sorry BC - I don't have Red Storm Rising. I have
- Europe Aflame
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/5882/europe-aflame - A Line in the Sand
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2061/line-sand-battle-iraq
- both by TSR.
I also found the box of components for World War II:Pacific Theater of Operations...but no map unfortunately. I recall it being a huge thing
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'Sokay, JD...thanks for looking regardless.
I had no idea Europe Aflame was one of TSR's games, so that's good to learn.
I have/had A Line In The Sand, somewhere. I might have gotten rid of it a while ago though as I haven't seen it and don't recall seeing it during my move.
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Norway has released its investigation report on the November 2018 loss of a frigate because of a collision.
What sank the frigate unexpectedly was slight damage that the ship was designed to handle. But safety features did not work. The collision revealed design defects in these new Nansen class frigates. The lost ship was nine years old and collided with a tanker for some immediately obvious reasons. The bridge watch made several mistakes (moving too fast, misidentifying other ships and general inability to deal with the situation) that led to the collision. The Nansen class ships were, on paper, difficult to sink. But a key safety feature (the stuffing boxes that sealed the bulkhead opening for the propeller shaft during flooding) did not work and the flooding spread to other parts of the ship that would have been watertight if the stuffing boxes had worked. This sort of thing has been encountered before, where ship design features that were supposed to prevent the spread of flooding but didn’t. The loss of the Norwegian frigate had many similarities with the loss of the Titanic in 1912.
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/20191201.aspx
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https://twitter.com/KahnPauli/status/1201508897246326784
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HMS Vengeance and HMS Vanguard
(https://i.imgur.com/rnY5VwG.jpg)
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Attack submarines Ray (SSN-653), Hawkbill (SSN-666), and Archerfish (SSN-678) surfaced at the geographic North Pole, 6 May 1986 during ICEX 86.
(https://i.redd.it/ibv1qlfsd7241.jpg)
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HMS Resolution together with HMS Warspite, HMS Malaya, HMS Royal Oak and HMS Rodney in Torbay, August 8, 1939
(https://i.redd.it/1866k889p6241.jpg)
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HMS Valiant followed by HMS Hood and HMS Renown firing their guns during the Silver Jubilee of King George V, taken from HMS Rodney, 1935.
(https://i.redd.it/gikjqr2qn6241.png)
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I feel like I need to smoke a cigarette after all that. :party: And I don't even smoke.
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Another great selection of pictures :bigthumb:
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Forgotten Soviet sub with AIP (Air Independent Propulsion) in the 50s. Project 617.
(https://i.redd.it/oxahakgb8m241.png)
http://www.hisutton.com/Pr617_AIP_submarine.html
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Russian experimental submarine Project 613E with electro-chemical generators.
(https://i.redd.it/3isvmpyutl241.png)
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HMS Queen Elizabeth enters Portsmouth Harbour, joining Prince of Wales in HMNB Portsmouth for the first time
(https://i.redd.it/qa1eo1kejl241.jpg)
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Royal Navy nuclear subs awaiting disposal at Devonport Naval Base, April 2019
(https://i.redd.it/0vvnu7rrll241.png)
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HMS Prince of Wales (R09) completes sea trials prior to her first entry to Her Majesty's Naval Base Portsmouth as seen from the U.S. Navy guided-missile destroyer USS Gridley (DDG 101)
(https://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/191111-N-UB406-0233.JPG)
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Prince of Wales alongside Victory Jetty, Portsmouth. HMS Victory, M33 and the Mary Rose museum are also visible
(https://i.redd.it/c4yrqeq4zd241.jpg)
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All them blokes on deck with binoculars looking for F-35's
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That big ass aircraft carrier and they still have to have a ski jump. ;D
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That's just so the Brits can tell which end NOT to land on. :hehe: Sorry Mates, too easy to pass on.
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That big ass aircraft carrier and they still have to have a ski jump. ;D
They could have fit them with catapults, but they deemed the cost to install/operate/maintain them to be prohibitive.
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Interesting, I did not know that.
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The ski jump is much less expensive, but it limits operational capability. IIRC, there was quite a bit of discussion about which approach to take. In the end, it came down to cost savings. The RN is going to have a difficult enough time funding the carriers as it is.
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If the F-35 is a VTOL I guess it's not all that important either way.
That is if the poor saps allies of ours are using that aircraft.
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That big ass aircraft carrier and they still have to have a ski jump. ;D
They could have fit them with catapults, but they deemed the cost to install/operate/maintain them to be prohibitive.
Given how the F-35 has escalated in price, I wonder if that is still the case.
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If the F-35 is a VTOL I guess it's not all that important either way.
Yes and no. The V/STOL version has reduced payload, possibly reduced range too. There are trade-offs for the short takeoff ability and there's a lot of extra weight associated with the vertical-lift system.
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(a) get rid of the ski ramp and install the catapult system - what's a few shillings more to our UK brethren in taxes? :D
(b) bring back the Tomcat
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Bring back the Ark Royal and the Swordfish..........................
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They could have fit them with catapults, but they deemed the cost to install/operate/maintain them to be prohibitive.
Steam, or electromagnetic? I hear there's a design expert with some very specific thoughts on it... :doh:
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They could have fit them with catapults, but they deemed the cost to install/operate/maintain them to be prohibitive.
Steam, or electromagnetic? I hear there's a design expert with some very specific thoughts on it... :doh:
I seem to remember reading that they considered steam since the electromagnetic system had not been sufficiently developed at that time
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SMS Seydlitz returning home after Battle of Jutland with 5300 t of water onboard.
(https://i.redd.it/b0psb9hzpu241.jpg)
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They could have fit them with catapults, but they deemed the cost to install/operate/maintain them to be prohibitive.
Steam, or electromagnetic? I hear there's a design expert with some very specific thoughts on it... :doh:
I seem to remember reading that they considered steam since the electromagnetic system had not been sufficiently developed at that time
The Emals system on the Ford is still a mess.
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USS Lexington at anchor off Honolulu, Hawaii, 8 Apr 1938
(https://i.redd.it/3lv43r964t241.jpg)
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Lady Lex lookin' fine! :bigthumb:
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That's a bunch of planes! :o
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:bigthumb:
She still has her 8-inch pea-shooters in that pic, along with the last of the USN's carrier based biplane fighters, either Grumman F2Fs or Boeing F4Bs (maybe a few of both?)
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Not much freeboard.
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Not much freeboard.
PLAY FREEBOARD!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7100/7269798882_8b245e94f3_z.jpg)
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I'm sure that you are well aware that I used the word purely in a nautical sense.
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I'm sure that you are well aware that I used the word purely in a nautical sense.
well yeah, but if you can sneak in a bad pun then why not?
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Everyone needs to wake up and foam a line to the left to appreciate these sea puns.
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That will have to tide us over for now.
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Brine on the puns, boys!
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Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) transits through the Strait of Gibraltar, Dec. 5, 2019
(https://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/191205-N-GC347-0627.jpg)
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Dammit! I was supposed to be notified if Puns broke-out. I hate being out-to-sea on a subject.
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You have to keep a weather-eye open for current trends.
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And don't miss the boat?
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We're really plumbing the depths now.
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I can’t believe we’ve sunk so low with these jokes.
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I'm turning into a nervous wreck.
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Not much freeboard.
Is that the open-source version? Does it run under Linux Mint?
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Only with a suitable pebbled-concrete dongle.
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By definition, landing on a carrier is a "controlled crash."
Being a Roof Rat is a very dangerous job.
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USS Lowry (DD-770) steaming close by a Soviet "F" type submarine, during the 1960s.
(https://i.imgur.com/yyfmvhz.jpg)
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French Battleship Dunkerque, 1937
(https://i.redd.it/y148d0d4a2341.jpg)
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Wartime price list on the Big Mamie, Uss Massachusetts.
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French Battleship Dunkerque, 1937
(https://i.redd.it/y148d0d4a2341.jpg)
Still owns the record for fastest evacuation a fire drill
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Exercising the High Seas Fleet, summer 1914.
That ship's boat looks like it will be splintered from the muzzle blast of the turret in the forground.
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That's a great pic. I've never seen it before. :applause:
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https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1205116756987203584
Damn. It's bad.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1216195/russia-news-fire-Admiral-Kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier-murmansk
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Better sale that to China too.... quick! :worried:
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Crap- :(
I hope they manage to find the missing person and keep injuries to a minimum.
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latest report admits this was started by a welder's torch.
This is pretty common in a shipyard, doing welding in very confined spaces.
However, in the west, at least, the shipyard has a well trained fire fighting organization for just such events.
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The Russians have never been great about fire prevention/control.
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Royal Navy battleships in heavy seas.
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Big of a sea running.
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Australian carrier group consisting of anti-submarine aircraft carrier R21 Melbourne and destroyers D08 Vendetta and D04 Voyager , 1959
(https://i.redd.it/apdwwx23zr441.jpg)
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Workers repair damage to USS North Carolina caused by an IJN Long Lance torpedo fired by submarine I-19 on September 15, 1942. The hole measured 32 by 18 feet.
(https://i.redd.it/1tx6lhfukp441.jpg)
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HMS Glory operating with the British Pacific Fleet, August 1945
(https://i.imgur.com/mM8cTqj.jpg)
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On September 27, 1941, Nelson was hit by an Italian torpedo during an air attack forcing it to return to Britain for repairs.
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HMS Renown off Scapa Flow, Aug 14, 1943
(https://i.imgur.com/qOttxQ7.jpg)
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Good looking ship!
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Yes! I'd buy her a drink and not even care if she threw it back in my face.
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:2funny:
That "elite company" comment is kind of funny. I mean, come on. The J-15 isn't that great an air superiority fighter, right? And China has bubkus when it comes to carrier operations experience. It's certainly eyebrow-raising, but...
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President Xi reminds me of a constipated Jackie Chan.
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^LMAO
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USS Pittsburgh lost it's bow during a typhoon on 4 June, 1945.
Not a man was lost.
After a seven-hour battle, the storm subsided, and Pittsburgh proceeded at 6 knots (11 km/h) to Guam, arriving on 10 June. Her bow, nicknamed "McKeesport" (a suburb of Pittsburgh), was later salvaged by the tugboat Munsee and brought into Guam. The 104-foot section of bow broke off owing to poor plate welds at the Bethlehem Shipbuilding Co. at the Fore River Shipyard, Quincy, Massachusetts, in April 1943.
With a false bow, Pittsburgh left Guam on 24 June bound for Puget Sound Navy Yard, arriving 16 July. Still under repair at war's end, she was placed in commission in reserve on 12 March 1946 and decommissioned on 7 March 1947. The typhoon damage also earned her the nickname "Longest Ship in the World" as thousands of miles separated the bow and stern.
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Pittsburgh always was a tough town. :bringit:
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President Xi reminds me of a constipated Jackie Chan.
The Internet has a LOT of fun with that guy. There's tons of memes comparing him to Winnie the Pooh, which pissed off the slimes in Beijing so much that they banned a Winnie the Pooh movie there. :ROFL:
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Really? Now that is funny :biggrin:
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HMS Audacious in the water for the first time
(https://i.redd.it/e6tn7hdjcm541.jpg)
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I bet it can't fly F-35's off it either. ::)
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Neither can anything else..............
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Neither can anything else..............
I hear that the Japanese are building a new I-400. They're calling it a helicopter submarine but the ski jump-shaped bow looks somehow familiar...
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Water Skiing perhaps? :hehe:
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https://twitter.com/BruinMatthew/status/1208031005644341248
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https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local-news/carnival-legend-based-in-tampa-collides-with-cruise-ship-in-mexico
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Oh dear. Someones seamanship will be under scrutiny.
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Where is Captain Stubing when you need him?
https://www.biography.com/news/the-love-boat-cast-where-are-they-now
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This is pretty wild. Egypt still has a couple Romeo-class subs in service and they are capable of launching Harpoons.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31459/egypts-soviet-era-chinese-made-american-upgraded-subs-can-still-fire-harpoon-missiles
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Don't tell Herman..............
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Charlie class SSGN INS Chakra alongside INS Viraat
(https://i.redd.it/2gz6omszc6641.jpg)
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HMS Britannia after having been torpedoed by UB-50, Nov 9, 1918 off Cape Trafalgar. One of the last British warships lost in WWI.
(https://i.imgur.com/5kAn6LD.jpg)
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Incredible picture.
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Dreadnought passing through the Swing Bridge. This was HMS Monarch and it was taken in 1911. It clearly shows the tight fit afforded to these ships by the Swing Bridge. Again much of the superstructure has been disassembled to allow the ship to pass under the High Level, Redheugh and King Edward bridges
It would be coming down the Tyne from the Vickers yard.
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^very cool :bigthumb:
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HMS Naiad shadowing a Soviet Kiev class aircraft carrier
(https://i.imgur.com/7ySVGJ1.jpg)
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HMS Indomitable, July 16, 1942
(https://i.imgur.com/3ZN3XDX.jpg)
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https://features.propublica.org/navy-uss-mccain-crash/navy-installed-touch-screen-steering-ten-sailors-paid-with-their-lives/
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HMS Vengeance
(https://i.imgur.com/lilA34R.jpg)
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The battleship SMS Ostfriesland in the dry dock. Preparations are underway to repair damage caused by a mine explosion after the Battle of Jutland.
(https://i.redd.it/gbqm696bxc641.jpg)
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The first dreadnought battleship built for the Regia Marina, Dante Alighieri, fires her 12 inch guns.
(https://i.redd.it/hr515moywc641.jpg)
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(https://i.redd.it/u1rqeopuwd641.png)
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The battleship SMS Ostfriesland in the dry dock. Preparations are underway to repair damage caused by a mine explosion after the Battle of Jutland.
(https://i.redd.it/gbqm696bxc641.jpg)
The SMS Ostfriesland was the 'war prize' target ship used during the inter-war bombing exercises championed by General Billy Mitchell.
His brass-annoying efforts initially got him court-martialed and then later got a medium bomber named after him that went on to be first to bomb mainland Japan. ::)
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Discussion of teething troubles on Chinese carrier Shandong.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3043042/smaller-fighter-jet-force-expected-chinas-new-aircraft-carrier
Hope they don't have a person with foresight and initiative as the USN had with Billy Goat Reeves on the Langley.
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Bomb impacts on Enterprise, August 1942.
https://imgur.com/GUrPZOA
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Jeebus
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1210258996260724738
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Nasty.
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Battleships steaming in column off the California coast during the 1920s. The three leading ships are (in no particular order) USS Colorado (BB-45), USS Maryland (BB-46), and USS West Virginia (BB-48), followed by USS Tennessee (BB-43) and three older battleships.
Photograph taken from USS California (BB-44).
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HMS Vengeance on rollout day (Vanguard Class)
(https://i.redd.it/djtqpvbm04r31.jpg)
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Economic reality is putting the brakes on Chinese carrier expansion.
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htnavai/20191229.aspx
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Maybe its a ruse de guerre
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Always a possibility. As is the building a massive carrier fleet being a huge head-fake. Anything that slows them down is good in my book.
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This is particularly interesting:
"A fourth problem is demographic. Several decades of the “one-child” per couple policy did prevent a population explosion. It also helped create the first large (several hundred million strong) Chinese middle class of well-educated engineers and other professionals. These are the people who were key to China quickly creating the second largest GDP in the world. But there is a catch. Affluent, talented women everywhere, and throughout history, don’t have a lot of children. Even though the one-child rule was revoked several years ago, the population is not growing, especially with the educated couples. Worse the children of middle-class families are not eager to join the military, which needs their skills to operate all this new gear"
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This is particularly interesting:
"A fourth problem is demographic. Several decades of the “one-child” per couple policy did prevent a population explosion. It also helped create the first large (several hundred million strong) Chinese middle class of well-educated engineers and other professionals. These are the people who were key to China quickly creating the second largest GDP in the world. But there is a catch. Affluent, talented women everywhere, and throughout history, don’t have a lot of children. Even though the one-child rule was revoked several years ago, the population is not growing, especially with the educated couples. Worse the children of middle-class families are not eager to join the military, which needs their skills to operate all this new gear"
To some degree, this is true with a lot of modern countries. Birthrates are low, and the military doesn't have much appeal for younger generations, especially in countries with low unemployment. China is catching up with Europe, USA, and other affluent countries with strong economies. If one is a hopeless optimist, it is possible to envision a future when the youth of all countries refuse to join their militaries and peace breaks out worldwide.
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The unintended consequences of the one-child policy are fascinating. Right or wrong as a policy, it was an unprecedented social engineering experiment that will be studied for decades to come.
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This is particularly interesting:
"A fourth problem is demographic. Several decades of the “one-child” per couple policy did prevent a population explosion. It also helped create the first large (several hundred million strong) Chinese middle class of well-educated engineers and other professionals. These are the people who were key to China quickly creating the second largest GDP in the world. But there is a catch. Affluent, talented women everywhere, and throughout history, don’t have a lot of children. Even though the one-child rule was revoked several years ago, the population is not growing, especially with the educated couples. Worse the children of middle-class families are not eager to join the military, which needs their skills to operate all this new gear"
To some degree, this is true with a lot of modern countries. Birthrates are low, and the military doesn't have much appeal for younger generations, especially in countries with low unemployment. China is catching up with Europe, USA, and other affluent countries with strong economies. If one is a hopeless optimist, it is possible to envision a future when the youth of all countries refuse to join their militaries and peace breaks out worldwide.
Nah, anyone can push a button.
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Knowing your job, that's a real comfort.
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lol
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HMS Liverpool after crossing the Atlantic, passing through the Panama Canal and heading up to California with a temporary bow to reach the Mare Island Naval Shipyard for repairs. Her bow was badly damaged when an Italian SM.79 Sparviero torpedo bomber found its mark on 14 October 1940 as the ship made for Alexandria, Egypt - 30 killed, 35 more wounded.
Taken under tow from the stern a fuel fire had further compromised the structural integrity of the bow. The subsequent combination of drag and turbulence removed it completely on the first day of a two day reverse journey to Alexandria. Once there she was given a temporary bow fix and sent on her way to California, where she was photographed above and made anew. The ship survived another torpedo hit from the same type of aircraft in June 1942.
Had not realised how many ships survived having their bows torpedoed.
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Last of the SpruCans!
Self defense test ship E964 used by the US navy as a test bed for new technologies and experimental weapon systems, formerly USS Paul F. Foster a Spruance class destroyer and the sole surviving member of the class as the others were either sunk as targets or scrapped
(https://i.redd.it/khl89lpi2e841.jpg)
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Pretty ship. :applause:
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Nice view of naval armor.
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Nice, tight group.
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That's from the Battle of Samar, isn't it?
NM, just saw pix caption.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31708/veteran-sonarman-explains-why-pump-jets-are-superior-to-props-on-modern-submarines
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British light cruiser HMS Leander in the Panama Canal area.
(https://preview.redd.it/uyxsccotbz841.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=cbdc59b1a4627e3f135614b0fc08670c79b97240)
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^I built an Airfix model of the Leander when I was a kid. I bought it while visiting my grandparents back in the old country. I think might have picked that model because the Walrus looked so cool sitting there on the catapult.
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HMS Ark Royal (91) listing after she was torpedoed by the submarine U-81 on November 13, 1941. Despite attempts to save her, she capsized and sank the next day. Her skipper, Captain Loben Maund, was court-martialed in February 1942 after a Board of Inquiry found him guilty on two counts of negligence. “Meanwhile, the Bucknill Committee, which had been set up to investigate the loss of major warships, produced a report that identified the lack of backup power sources as a major design failure that contributed to her loss; Ark Royal depended on electricity for much of her operation, and once the boilers and steam-driven dynamos were knocked out, the loss of power made damage control difficult.” US Navy photo Lot-3478-19 from the Office of Emergency Management.
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A Proud Ship indeed. :'(
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Wreck of the USS Maine, raised in 1912.
(https://i.imgur.com/hIaj839.png)
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Boy, that's gonna need some Duck Tape and a coat of paint. :o
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US Navy ships at anchor in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, during winter exercises in 1927
(https://external-preview.redd.it/pzcQ-wk7UA14zicGqC8yvUpRI-MBzxiwlfLwZsuozT0.jpg?auto=webp&s=dbe218014bbcdfbdde58aa14c0b6066c3bc45a4e)
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https://twitter.com/US5thFleet/status/1215658818882998272
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That would've been a damned good time to throw the garbage overboard. :go-on:
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Lasers for the LCS
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31843/navy-littoral-combat-ship-will-soon-be-armed-with-a-laser-weapon-system
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USS Ranger in drydock, with USS Coral Sea and USS Hancock, Hunter's Point, 25 August 1971
(https://i.redd.it/f6unsbaa4lc41.jpg)
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Apropos of very little to do with this thread but continuing a bit from a few weeks ago, a friend of mine texted me last night. He and his family are moving across town (he lives in California) and he showed me pics of some of his games and asked if I wanted any of them...I just need to pay him shipping. One of them is Red Storm Rising. Jackpot!
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I just need to pay him shipping.
izzat the secret? :whistle:
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Thas' the secret. But just the one game won't be much more than $12 I don't think, for shipping.
I've got several things I need to ship myself, yes.
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Anything under $20 will be worth it for RSR.
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US Atlantic Fleet taken from North Dakota (BB-29), 1914.
(https://i.redd.it/y0lc1oxqv1d41.jpg)
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Somebody better move that lifeboat. :doh:
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Moskva-project 1123 helicopter carrier
(https://i.redd.it/58m0a0edj4e41.jpg)
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Nice to see the LCS can sink something
USS Detroit (LCS-7) sinks a vessel as a hazard to navigation on Nov. 23, 2019. US Navy Photo
(https://i.redd.it/467lny79a0e41.jpg)
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Moskva-project 1123 helicopter carrier
(https://i.redd.it/58m0a0edj4e41.jpg)
That can't be a Russian carrier. Not nearly enough black smoke...
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;D
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Maybe they ran out of coal.
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It does have the proper angle of list for a Russian ship.
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Navy film on ASW in 1988.
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/TrackingThreat.html
No Vikings?
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I mean, Wade Wilson and Alfred Anderson were a decent duo for the '88 Vikings, but not impressive enough to be mentioned everywhere.
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Ahem!
ASW fixed wings don't get a lot of respect, but they were ballsy types.
Once saw a helicopter that was preparing to dip it's sonar at probably under a hundred feet of altitude. An S-2 Tracker flew under the helicopter to drop a sonobuoy.
Don't know what the helicopter crew thought, but we felt the pucker factor as the Tracker seemed to be intent on colliding with the hovering helicopter.
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Cool vid
Hafa Adai USS Theodore Roosevelt! The aircraft carrier arrived in Guam today for a port visit as part of a U.S. 7th Fleet deployment. #AroundtheFleet
https://www.facebook.com/USPacificFleet/videos/1038718076500297/
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very cool :bigthumb:
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:bigthumb:
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Navy wants to start retiring the LCS
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32148/the-navy-now-wants-to-retire-the-first-four-of-its-troublesome-littoral-combat-ships
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And it only took them what, 12 years to figure that out?
Wonder how long it will take to figure out the F-35 is a bad idea...oh wait this is the Ships thread...lol.
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Isn't it awful when you first wake-up in the morning after a bender and see... all those wrinkles! Admitting you have a problem is the first step to solving it.
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https://twitter.com/defense_news/status/1227368348968792065
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/submarines-canada-fleet-repairs-canadian-navy-1.5458632
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:bigthumb:
:sigh:
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Zero days at sea? What have the crews been doing? Playing, "Cold Waters" to keep in practice? Actually, that may not be too bad an idea. ???
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HMS Indomitable seen from the top of a large crane as she enters the basin from the Loch on her way to No 2 Dry Dock at Rosyth Dockyard. Note what appears to be a Revenge Class battleship in background.
(https://i.imgur.com/8eyKadd.jpg)
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That's an impressive looking ship. :bigthumb:
Who's that in the upper left? She looks to be sitting a bit high in the water so probably unfueled and undergoing some kind of refit.
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For some reason, it came out as a KGV class. Maybe fitting out? Anson or Howe possibly?
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Sorry, I meant the one on the other left- the flat top.
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Great picture. It also shows how that type of camo can fool the eye, even at close quarters, although I guess being in B&W makes a difference ;)
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Wait! There was a time Britain had TWO aircraft carriers?!!? :o Sorry, too good to let pass. :go-on:
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Had to look up the battleship. Looks like England's last battleship went to the scrapyard in 1960. A shame but understandable.
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Wait! There was a time Britain had TWO aircraft carriers?!!? :o Sorry, too good to let pass. :go-on:
There were time when we oodles of 'em.
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My Father was in the Navy during WWII and I remember him telling me when I was young he saw the H.M.S. Duke of York at Okinawa and how small she was compared to the Iowa Class BB's of the U.S. It wasn't until much later I read and then told him about the Brits building their BB's according to the agreed specs of the Washington and London Treaties which required them to be of smaller size and weight. The Brits were playing by the rules, the Germans and Japanese not, and that's why their ships were smaller than the U.S. ships and probably everybody else's too. I believe the same thing was true with the Brit cruisers as well.
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I was surprised recently to discover just how big the British Pacific Fleets was. It was actually the largest Royal Navy force of all time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pacific_Fleet
21 carries of different sizes, including 6 fleet carriers.
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www.armouredcarriers.com
Is a great website. The account of Taranto is superb
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Four Austrian battleships sailing in formation (2 dreadnought types and 2 pre-dreadnoughts)
(https://i.redd.it/l8mm3z5bo3i41.jpg)
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Missile magazine of the nuclear-powered guided missile cruiser USS Arkansas (CGN-41), 23 September 1993
(https://i.redd.it/adv2wtzb23i41.jpg)
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A Nelson-class battleship leads QE & R-class battleships during exercises in the Med. Circa late 1920's
(https://i.redd.it/jc5knzcit3i41.jpg)
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(https://i.redd.it/ewgwxuiscyh41.jpg)
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1960. Scrapping of HMS Vanguard, two of the main 15" guns (381 mm)
(https://i.redd.it/yr0iwer2zvh41.png)
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La Devastation, French Ironclad
(https://i.redd.it/vltxjtbd5xh41.jpg)
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Argentinian battleship ARA Rivadavia entering dry dock, Brooklyn, August 06, 1913
(https://www.armchairdragoons.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13.0;attach=1412;image)
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Great selection of pictures - especially the Austrian ships.
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That last image of mirth's is all black with a message "If you are looking for an image, it was probably deleted."
I'm guessing that's my company's firewall blocking it though, if y'all can see them. :(
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I'm guessing that's my company's firewall blocking it though, if y'all can see them. :(
nope, I'm getting the same thing and pretty sure it's not your company firewall affecting me here
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I wouldn't be surprised, they keep buying up companies like Pac-Man eating pellets
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No I can't see 'em either.
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Must have been deleted from Reddit. There are ways around that though.
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It won't pose a problem for a man of your outstanding technical abilities.
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The Wayback Machine archives Reddit?
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Probably. The Wayback Machine archives everything it can. I used to it to track down an old article on Medium that Brant wrote.
Anyway, I could still see the image in my browser so I downloaded it and added it as an attachment to the post.
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USS Los Angeles (ZR-3) In a near-vertical position, after her tail rose out-of-control while she was moored at the high mast at Naval Air Station Lakehurst, New Jersey, shortly after 1:30 PM on 25 August 1927. Source NHHC.
(https://i.redd.it/jgfa3uhrwci41.jpg)
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Must have been a bit uncomfortable for the crew.
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IIRC,
there was no one on board at the time (that, or no one was injured at all, can't now recall what I'd read). This incident is one of the reasons the Navy went to the short-mast mooring system which had the zeps and blimps secured actually at near touch-down level.
EDIT: Always check the wiki before trying to recall from memory. The crew was indeed aboard and tried to counterbalance by climbing the keel walkways into the stern in an attempt to shift internal weight to the rear.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1231617239356510208
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looks like a scene out of Flash Gordon
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Looks like something nasty crawling out of a lump of cheese...well, in B&W, anyway.
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That's an amazing bit of footage.
Popular wisdom seems to have it that all the Navy's zeppelins eventually came to some kind of grief or other but the USS Los Angeles served many years and was not finally dismantled until just before WW2. She and the German Graf Zeppelin are arguably the most long lived and successful rigid airships ever built.
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You know far more about US airships than most of us, Wing. I post the pics to tease you ;)
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:bigthumb:
I became fascinated by the Navy's airships after building a model of the USS Macon as a kid.
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That is great stuff, Stagger. They really are fascinating and I do keep looking for stuff about the development of new airships, such as the Airlander.
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Inside Russia’s Laika Next Generation Attack Submarine (https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/02/inside-russias-laika-next-generation-attack-submarine/)
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Great article. Thanks for the post. :applause:
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Yeah, very interesting.
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HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, Royal Navy, Portsmouth UK, 2020
(https://i.redd.it/7v5lwr9ikbj41.jpg)
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Pretty! They look like they're not speaking to each other though right now.
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Prince of Wales wants to step down from being an aircraft carrier.
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The bloke on the stern with the signal flags is enquiring if anyone has seen any F-35's yet..............
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USS Mississippi in heavy seas.
(https://i.redd.it/0btyc79t2cj41.jpg)
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I'm getting Sea Sick just looking at that pic. :sick:
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Just another day at the office.
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The wreck of HMS Montagu, which ran aground in the Bristol Channel in 1906. The suspension bridge was added during salvage operations. She was broken up for scrap where she lay after attempts to refloat her failed.
(https://i.redd.it/tfd0s8odgwj41.jpg)
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A sad ending. :(
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Quite a suspenseful shot. :2funny:
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Gneisenau in drydock at the Deutsche Werke shipyard in Kiel to have her torpedo hit damage repaired
(https://i.redd.it/3aj40hnea7l41.jpg)
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Spanish pre-Dreadnought battleship Pelayo, anchored in port, 1889
(https://i.redd.it/4h5uqiocj8l41.jpg)
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Quite rare chance of seeing all three Conte di Cavour-class battleships together. The photo is dated by 1915 or 1916. These ships had identical fate as they were sunk in major naval bases while under maximum protection.
(https://i.redd.it/fult71aaz9l41.jpg)
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HMS Duke of York underway in heavy seas
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/British_Warships_of_the_Second_World_War_A7552.jpg)
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French Bretagne class battleship Lorraine, Casablanca, November 1943
(https://i.redd.it/r5vzqxtya1l41.jpg)
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Mitscher-class destroyer USS Willis A. Lee (DL-4; later DD-929) at the Saint Lawrence Seaway, under which passes a road. c. 1959
(https://i.redd.it/v0t7og3zq1l41.jpg)
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Some great pictures there, and that last one is amazing!
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Agreed! :bigthumb:
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I think the Gneisenau was put into drydock for repairs, yes, but then the ended up cutting the bow off to extend it as they added bigger guns to her arsenal. Then they ended up stopping the work and used the turrets in Norway, then sank her in Gdansk Harbor to block the port. An ignoble end.
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The WWI Gneisenau went down fighting, at the Battle of the Falklands, along with her sister ship, also named Scharnhorst.
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Italian battleship Giulio Cesare, 1926
(https://i.imgur.com/Ph1GSkA.jpg)
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Nice one :bigthumb:
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The Italians sure did build em pretty.
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That was back when a BB was a BB! Julius would've been proud.
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Why do those Italian BBs all seem to be turning their backs on us?
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That's the same view the Brits had of them in Med in 1940. :hehe:
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In many ways, the Italians get a lot of bad press from WW2. Its true that much of the army was poorly led, trained and equiped, but even Rommel thought that the armoured formations were quite good even though the tanks were rubbish.
The air force seems to have had more elan, and some quite good aircraft, and the navy, in general, seems to have been very modern and had good moral.
It would appear that bad leadership was responsible for much of the poor performance, and especially in the army, a lot of officers treatment of the troops was indifferent to say the least.
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The Royal Navy was initially very concerned about the Regia Marina and rightfully so. The Italians had some excellent modern ships.
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A really fun hypothetical scenario would have been if the Itslian battle fleet attempted to attack the Pedestal convoy going to Malta.
They had two Roma BBs plus supporting cruisers and destroyers.
The cover force for the convoy was Nelson and Rodney with cruisers and destroyers.
One source identifies it as Force Z.
Rather surprising that the Brits would use that designator, considering it's association with Prince of Wales and Repulse.
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Venezuela navy vessel sinks after 'ramming cruise ship' (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52151951)
:ROFL:
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Venezuela navy vessel sinks after 'ramming cruise ship' (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52151951)
:ROFL:
Yeah, I saw that. The cruise ship was pretty solid because it was built to go into icy waters.
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Venezuela navy vessel sinks after 'ramming cruise ship' (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52151951)
:ROFL:
A friend of mine in the travel biz was talking about this. Below the waterline, many cruise ships, especially the ones that sail near the poles, are way more armored below the waterline than most warships bc of icebergs. Most of those cruise ships would withstand a torpedo hit better than a lot of smaller warships.
I had no idea, but it kind of makes sense,
You also wonder why a Venezuelan warship is trying to ram a cruise ship, eh?
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You also wonder why a Venezuelan warship is trying to ram a cruise ship, eh?
Probably trying to seize it and 'ransom' it back to the owners.
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I did a tour of a Carnival cruise ship once and remember them mentioning something about the hull's strength. I didn't know it was that strong though, nor remember them saying that, though I can't imagine that would be a funny thing to say on a tour ("hey, our ships can take a torpedo hit!" *crickets*).
I was surprised last night to learn there are many cruise ships 'indefinitely' out there that have nowhere to go and there's upwards of 2,000 U.S. citizens just vibin' on them right now. What a vacation that turned out to be for them...I can't imagine.
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I can imagine that would get old pretty quick.
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They should have packed a copy of Agricola. :whistle:
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I can imagine that would get old pretty quick.
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Like as soon as you saw the cover of the box?
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Most Carnival ships I was on had a game room but their board games were Battleship, Pictionary, that sort of thing.
)))shudder(((
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Sounds like somewhere to steer clear of.
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Offer a stern decline to the invite and bow out.
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So.
Are we going to funnel all our ship puns here or knot?
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This morning I wake to find more puns.
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SILENCE! I keel you.
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Aw hull- this thread is drifting off course.
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Oh.....bollards!
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What The Fo'c'sle? More puns?!?
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What a load of poop!
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I deck line to respond.
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Oh, pipe down, and sling yer hook.
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Ship puns? I say, frigate, that's enough. ::)
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..rowlocks...........
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A Brief Illustrated History of Navy Victory Markings
https://www.navalhistory.org/2020/04/20/a-brief-illustrated-history-of-navy-victory-markings
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https://twitter.com/guggajugs/status/1264712260699582464
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Yurgh! Bucket, please.....
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That looks like a ride at Universal Studios! :notme:
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This is not far away from where I live and we have been there once a few years ago. Its really interesting and the quayside where it is is also a period museum.
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German light cruiser Königsberg circa 1936
(https://i.imgur.com/NPs2znq.jpg)
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Great picture :bigthumb:
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Great picture :bigthumb:
Agreed. It's a cool pic.
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Anyone know why the two after turrets are offset?
Have a feeling that I used to know, but the Half Zheimers marches on.
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I've never seen that pic before. Damn, she looks thin from that angle.
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Rifle drill aboard HMS Rodney (29), October 1940
(https://i.redd.it/nvwviii2ej151.png)
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Now they just need some boarders to repel.
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That's probably the reason why the Captain of the Bismarck never tried it. :worried:
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This what happens when you try and stop the grog rations.
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HMS Eagle in 1923 following refit
(https://i.imgur.com/g0FVXcW.jpg)
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Starboard quarter view of a Soviet Mirka I class anti-submarine frigate, probably mid 80s.
(https://i.redd.it/dmuf2wnzgo151.png)
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Vanguard Class SSBN in the Shiplift at HMNB Faslane
(https://i.redd.it/3pougu6n5p151.jpg)
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NICE! :bigthumb:
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HMS Illustrious passes HMS Ark Royal under construction in Tyneside in 1982
(https://i.redd.it/jzxpk1ib1w151.jpg)
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Great picture.
I did know that area reasonable well since we had customers in the ship building and off-shore industries.
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Force H,comprised of HMS Duke of York, HMS Nelson, HMS Renown, HMS Formidable, and HMS Argonaut underway off North Africa, Nov 1942
(https://i.imgur.com/sOU3DP6.jpg)
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What an impressive picture.
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HMS Rodney (29) seen beyond the flight deck of HMS Formidable (67), Valletta, October 1943
(https://i.redd.it/ej8to2owr0251.png)
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I've always thought the the Rodney and Nelson were just fantastic looking ships.
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I've always thought the the Rodney and Nelson were just fantastic looking ships.
Same :bigthumb:
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HMS Minerva with her Lynx helicopter
(https://i.redd.it/5s9qpgdr6w151.jpg)
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I bet landing back on with that sea running was fun :-)
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Class-leader heavy cruiser HMS York (90) looming out of the fog in Vancouver, British Columbia, 10 August 1938
(https://i.redd.it/tgriw4nlt0251.jpg)
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Looks like it would fit right in with The Great White Fleet in 1908.
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Looks like it would fit right in with The Great White Fleet in 1908.
Avalanche Press makes games for that period.
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GlugGlugGlug..............................
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USS Washington (BB-47) fitting out at the New York Shipbuilding Corporation shipyard, Camden, NJ, circa late 1921 or early 1922. She'd be a victim of the Washington Treaty. Expended as a target.
(https://i.imgur.com/qKLyhPS.jpg)
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HMS Illustrious, in Captain Cook Dry Dock, Sydney on the 3rd March 1945
(https://i.redd.it/8cqpsms7d4251.png)
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With some neatly folded F4U's on deck.
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Main 15'' (381/50 Mod. 1934) guns of Italian Battleship Roma before commissioning, 1940
(https://i.redd.it/sgt52449q3251.jpg)
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Impressive.
Sadly, Roma and most of her crew went down after she was hit by Luftwaffe glide bombs in what was history's first sinking of a large warship by guided munitions.
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Yes - hit by Fritz-X missiles after the Italian's had surrendered. I remember reading about that.
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I remember seeing one show where they recreated the Fritz weapon to test it's effects. They dropped it somewhere in the desert. It's penetration capabilities were incredible. :o
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Yeah, the FritzX was a 'battleship killer', designed to penetrate lots of armor. Since it was unpowered the launching plane had to come close and stay within sight of both the tail of the FritzX (which had a tracking flair) and the target all the way in. Both it and the Henschel He293 (a rocket-assisted type designed for soft targets such as transports and destroyers) cause a lot of damage during the Sicilian and Italian campaigns.
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I think they also used it against shipping at Anzio, and employed the He 177 as a launch platform. I think the aircraft that sank the Roma was a Do 217.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=62GkCPYzcII
USS Savannah was hit by a Fritz X.
This hit the roof of C turret. Penetrated and went into the forward magazine.
The explosion actually blew through the hull near the keel. It is believed this actually saved the ship as the flooding seawater kept the magazine from cooking off.
There is a split second photo of the explosion that is shocking. Unfortunately, my hard drive fried and I cannot pull it up.
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Navy history site.
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Thinking about Fritz X, brought to mind the Soviet AS-4 Kitchen missile.
It had two modes of attack and one was a high altitude approach, once over the target it made a terminal dive into the target ship from 27,000 feet.
Just occurred to me that this is very similar to the Fritz. Since most of the Soviet AS missiles made their terminal Al flight at 1,000 feet or less, into the targets side. I wonder if they were consciously making an effort to copy the Fritz.
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Copy!? The Soviets!? NYET! :hehe:
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Early French ironclads Cerbere and Belier, circa 1870. Used as coastal defense/floating batteries, 3 were constructed and deployed in the Russian shore during the Crimean War. Steam powered, they also featured twin mainmasts for sail in emergency.
(https://i.redd.it/uxoyucc83o251.jpg)
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Silly buggers built them upside down.
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These look like they would roll a lot in any kind of sea. Gunnery must have been challenging.
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USS Gerald R Ford and USS Harry S Truman conduct dual carrier operations in the Atlantic ocean, 4th June 2020
(https://i.redd.it/6zfw8t0z2x251.jpg)
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I wouldn't get too close to Ford if I were Harry. He was kind of accident prone. :notme:
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Too late- it looks like the Truman's island already got knocked over.
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Do you think maybe they are racing each other?
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33858/these-shots-of-ford-class-and-nimitz-class-carriers-side-by-side-offer-best-comparison-yet
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Close up of a German S-boot S-100 class and her bow 20 mm gun while operating in the English Channel.
(https://i.redd.it/4zd56h3ad2351.png)
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https://www.eugeneleeslover.com/Humor/Navy_Recruiting.html
Historic navy video.
Farragut only had a 5"/54 and we really were jealous of 16"ers after this.
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Launch of the italian submarine Argo, lead ship of her class in Monfalcone 1936.
(https://i.redd.it/h8d95se3x4451.jpg)
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HMS Indomitable as seen from HMS Victorious, on a Malta convoy run, August 1942
(https://i.redd.it/zzimc1w014451.png)
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Italian battleship Giulio Cesare leaving Malta in 1938, likely on 24 June 1938
(https://i.redd.it/jg6fwrei41451.jpg)
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Looks like the guys with the Field Guns are about to take her on. :hehe:
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Its only a salute, honest :whistle:
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https://www.duffelblog.com/2020/05/the-carrier-is-vulnerable-and-obsolete-according-to-100-years-worth-of-military-journals/
A new appreciation of aircraft carriers.
Please note the esteemed author had an earlier career in film. He was the protagonist in Boogie Nights.
Brant, we should invite him to ACD. He'd fit right in and add some "spice" to our staid threads.
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https://navalnews.net/fire-occurs-onboard-french-nuclear-powered-submarine-perle
Now a French submarine has a drydock fire. It seems that the most dangerous place for a sub is a drydock.
Come to think of it, while Farragut was in the Philadelphia yard in 1974, the yard's newspaper had a list of major accidents. Recall there were fires many times a week, all the welding.
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Isn't that what happened to the
Soviet Russian carrier?
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1272318292003340289
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USS West Virginia (BB-48) - Oakland Bay Bridge - 1930s
(https://i.redd.it/2i7y132hxi651.jpg)
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https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/about-us/leadership/director/directors-corner/h-grams/h-gram-039/h-039-3.html?fbclid=IwAR0pVs6BwRAiRp-WfLyJk6CB2KMvQxZCp3kSIS9k-wzvvPRIt4MAPwI-fVs
Typhoon Cobra hits Third Fleet.
Good account. To understand why three destroyers were swamped, has to do with refueling procedure and the layout of the fuel bunkers.
WWII destroyers had a trough like device about midships both port and starboard.
The fuel hose would go into the trough and securrd with two lines. This setup was termed a pigtail, because it looked like this type of braid in a girl's hair.
Since the receptacle was amidships, the receiving ship would pump out the midships fuel tanks into the forward and after tanks. This had the effect of raising the center of gravity, so the ship rolled to a greater degree.
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The US Navy airship USS Macon (ZRS-5), moored at Hangar One at Moffett Federal Airfield near Mountain View, California
(https://i.redd.it/otgf97taex751.jpg)
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*swoon*
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IJN Kaga anchored off Japan in 1930 with her original 3 flight decks looking like a floating fortress. She would be reconstructed in 1934 and have just 1 longer flight deck
(https://i.redd.it/pbhh7l4nix751.jpg)
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That looks like something from Waterworld.
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That looks like something from Waterworld.
Yet much cheaper than the Waterworld budget.
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:2funny:
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And it (got) bombed like Waterworld.
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^History jokes. Gotta love it! :bigthumb:
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Was she the one Godzilla took a crap on before he ate Tokyo? Get it? Kaga---Kaka? :go-on:
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https://twitter.com/USNAMuseum/status/1222550398273110017
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Was she the one Godzilla took a crap on before he ate Tokyo? Get it? Kaga---Kaka? :go-on:
We have several "funny" threads. This doesn't belong in any of them.
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Many moons ago, a graduate of the Naval Academy mentioned that in the back of Bancroft Hall, there was an oversized file cabinet filled with models of ships.
A bunch had a note on the bottom "collection of Fletcher Pratt".
Wonder if they've been saved,?
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Forgive me for not knowing the, "funny" threads from the, "unfunny" ones. I was actually going for, "corny". Whenever I see a picture of Bill Murray's face on a Schwarzenegger move poster, I automatically think, "corny". My bad.
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Everyone take an extra shot, and let's just all chill until the morning 🤪
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https://twitter.com/airandspace/status/1280145937994854403
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Nice!
The R34's accomplishments usually get overshadowed by the sad fate of the R101, much the way the highly successful Graf Zeppelin is less well known than the doomed Hindenburg.
Speaking of the latter two, there was even a Hindenburg design-based Graf Zeppelin II, also hardly remembered. It was used for propaganda flights and for pre-war electronic espionage, especially of Britain's Chain Home radar.
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UK Carrier Strike Group 21 (CSG21) Deployment Composition
(https://i.redd.it/uzt93x6cmg951.jpg)
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Honestly, that kind of looks a bit short of ships. What is that - two destroyers and a frigate?
What's the normal composition of a carrier group?
mmmm
US Carrier Strike Force
1 Super Carrier
Carrier Air Wing (9 squadrons)
2 Aegis Missile Cruisers
2-3 Destroyers
2 SSNs
Oiler and Supply ship
I guess destroyers etc can do much more than they used to so need less.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2qNfsOwVdCMFxsjQ_iuj5m7TQMkPytLdognD1R1Q1rqg8BAifbyiPjsNo&feature=share&v=2tmHeKasB1Y
1939 fleet maneuvers.
Preamble is pretty lame, you can skip to 1:40.
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https://twitter.com/airandspace/status/1280985078705934343
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Those K-types were huge blimps. There's a control car from one on display at the New England Air Museum and the whole thing is nearly two stories tall!
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Blimps were surprisingly sturdy.
One later class had a large air search radar onboard. During the Cold War, there was one out over the Atlantic near Boston at all times.
Went through Noreasters and hurricanes. Don't think any were ever lost.
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Blimps could ride out much harsher weather than zeppelins because the former have no internal framework to buckle and also less subject to sheering forces than the latter due to the aspect ratio of the blimps' length and width being much closer to each other than that of Zepps.
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Blimps could ride out much harsher weather than zeppelins because the former have no internal framework to buckle and also less subject to sheering forces than the latter due to the aspect ratio of the blimps' length and width being much closer to each other than that of Zepps.
:nerd:
lol
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lol
Who, me? ;D
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Try Zeppelin Raider by Compass Games for some fun slave-to-the-weather simulation. These bloody things are notoriously unreliable mechanically and structurally and the wind is often not your friend.
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Try Zeppelin Raider by Compass Games for some fun slave-to-the-weather simulation. These bloody things are notoriously unreliable mechanically and structurally and the wind is often not your friend.
Airship vs Weather! And solo-play! :rockon:
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I have that game. Maybe I'll even get around to
playing it
going through the game contents
opening the box
taking the box down off the shelf
looking at the box on the shelf
watching a lets play video.
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Pay no attention to the naysayers, Stags. It's actually quite fun, and it's a Greg Smith design (Interceptor Ace, Nightfighter Ace, Raiders of the Deep, etc.).
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Greg Smith is a cool dude. I wish he did games I was more interested in playing.
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Pacific Tide is different from those, but it's fairly basic and not to mention, solo. He does a similar one for the Eastern Front using the same system, but surprisingly I don't own that one (yet).
Not sure he actually does any multiplayer games, actually.
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Not sure he actually does any multiplayer games, actually.
Not that I'm aware of. He seems focused on the low-complexity, solo market. I prefer less approachable games.
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I agree. If we had ever had that Solo Play podcast episode I would have mentioned how I actually prefer games that are NOT solitaire only, even for solo play. There are, of course, some solitaire games that are exceptions to that.
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I agree. If we had ever had that Solo Play podcast episode I would have mentioned how I actually prefer games that are NOT solitaire only, even for solo play. There are, of course, some solitaire games that are exceptions to that.
It is getting a little better to have rules that cover both solo and MP. I prefer the GMT approach of doing MP games with built-in rules for solitaire.
I understand the interest in solo play, but it's not for me with board games. Solo exclusive is a non-starter for me and I don't want to hear about house ruling it for MP.
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If we had ever had that Solo Play podcast episode I would have mentioned how I am actually not a solo only board gamer.
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It would be an informative episode.
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With lots of bourbon and game buying. :bigthumb:
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Pay no attention to the naysayers, Stags. It's actually quite fun, and it's a Greg Smith design (Interceptor Ace, Nightfighter Ace, Raiders of the Deep, etc.).
I don't doubt it. I just need:
1) time
2) energy
3) uncluttered horizontal surface area that isn't also a hallway floor.
So...
1) Just 12 more years till I can retire (under the very best of all financial circumstances)
2) My 'only drink beer on friday' diet seems to be having some effect. I've lost about 12 pounds and do feel a little better.
3) Perhaps I can devise a synchronized 4-pulley system that lowers a gaming table surface down from my ceiling for game play times.
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Congrats on losing the weight Stagger. 12 Pounds is great. :applause:
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Thanks man.
Of course today is Friday, so...
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Of course today is Friday, so...
Congrats on losing 7lbs.
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Yeah, starting tomorrow I have to earn it all back. :(
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Congrats Stags. I know the struggle well. I'd been doing very well with Crossfit before I moved. Now that I have the ability, I want to join a new Crossfit place, but COVID has everyone shut up tight. :(
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Admiral Nimitz presents awards onboard USS Enterprise (CV-6) in Pearl Harbor on 27 May 1942 with sunken battleships still in the background. The next day, Enterprise would sail for the Battle of Midway.
(https://i.redd.it/zuw6bc18q8a51.jpg)
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Great picture. :bigthumb:
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+100
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They're probably all wondering, 'Is this guy's any good'? :worried:
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https://twitter.com/CavasShips/status/1282380677653176320
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Ow. Well that isn't good.
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My dad served on the Bon Homme Richard (CV-31) at North Island NAS (down the bay from 32nd street), and served on other ships at 32nd Street Naval Station.
Fires on ships are not good. Let's hope for the best for the firefighting team and the sailors on board.
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Crap, that really does look bad. Prayers for all the crew and firefighters who're trying to deal with it.
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+100
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https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1282499923007557632
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Bloody hell - What about munitions I wonder?
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https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1282566567834734593
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What a disaster! :(
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I read somewhere else that the ship will be almost a total loss.
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Navy officials said the fire started in the lower parts of the ship where embarked Marines keep vehicles and equipment.
“There was a report of an internal explosion” in a lower stowage area, Rear Adm. Philip Sobeck, commander of Expeditionary Strike Group 3, told reporters during a Sunday evening press conference just outside the base. “We don’t quite understand yet the source of … the seed of the fire,” he added.
Wow. I hope nobody got hurt. I can't find any info other than a skeleton crew was on board.
And didn't they just spend about a quarter of a billion on her for upgrades and such? :o
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(https://i.redd.it/nvd20h76qna51.jpg)
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It looks from that shot to be very top heavy - just an optical illusion I guess due to the angle.
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She was top-heavy. They reworked the keel and hull to compensate for it.
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:bigthumb:
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Was this a battleship that was converted to a carrier?
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Ah, Wikipedia says no.
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You ninja'd me, Mike :-)
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https://twitter.com/mercoglianos/status/1283013397731315713
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Ah, Wikipedia says no.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IncompatibleHeftyAntarcticfurseal-size_restricted.gif)
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I believe I would also say, 'NO' to that. :notme:
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/34832/veteran-sailor-on-why-navy-ships-can-be-most-vulnerable-in-port-and-how-to-change-that
Good recap on the Bon Homme Richard fire with description of how a stand down in the yard can be so dangerous.
When Farragut was in the Philadelphia yard in the winter of 1974, the base had a newsletter. It listed all the calls for fires. There were hardly any days without a welding fire somewhere.
The Yardbirds were totally unconcerned. Many were ending their careers after starting during WWII. Fires were just a normal thing to them.
During WWII, there was an Essex class carrier named Bon Homme Richard.
The crew were proud to sail on "the biggest Dick in the Pacific."
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During WWII, there was an Essex class carrier named Bon Homme Richard.
The crew were proud to sail on "the biggest Dick in the Pacific."
My dad was on that ship in the 1960s, and maybe 1970s. I still remember him and my mom calling her the Bonnie Dick.
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Yes, Bonnie Dick became the preferred nickname at some point.
My dad was a plank owner on Yorktown, CV10. She was planned to be named BHR, but Ernie King decided that after Midway, there should be a Yorktown.
When we went with him to the opening at Patriots Point, a lot of people who had sailed on Yorktown attended.
Those old salts had irreverent nicknames for all the carriers. Intrepid was " the EVil I".
Belleau Wood was Morning Wood. Etc.
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Admiral-class pre-dreadnought battleship HMS Camperdown
(https://i.redd.it/xaqrbm5879b51.jpg)
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I hope that dude on the bow is getting hazardous duty pay.
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I hope that dude on the bow is getting hazardous duty pay.
He's jumping up and down on the chain trying to unstick the anchor.
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I hope that dude on the bow is getting hazardous duty pay.
Considering that Camperdown rammed and sank HMS Victoria, I'd say he earned hazard pay.
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He did if he was hanging off the side like that when they hit. ;D
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When the boatswain mates are pulling in the anchor, one beefy guy whacks each link of the anchor chain with a sledgehammer.
A link that is in good shape has a sharp, metallic sound.
A wormy link has a really dull clank.
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Uh, huh. I won't even ask about the 'wheels on the ship'. (http://www.aarcentral.com/emoti/HideEyes.gif)
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Italian sailors relax on top of a CB-class midget submarine moored next a German S-boat, Crimea, 1942
(https://i.redd.it/4kgz9clxbnb51.jpg)
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An after turret on the battleship HMS Barham being fitted with 15-inch guns at John Brown & Co’s yard in May 1915, before her completion in August
(https://i.redd.it/hykgvrvrvob51.jpg)
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Nice find :bigthumb:
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdtwbyHXgAAjetU?format=jpg&name=medium)
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2627698120838228&id=1890470547894326
Update on dreadnought Texas
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HMS Renown leading HMS Courageous and HMS Furious, 1934
(https://i.redd.it/cs4lj0hzqld51.jpg)
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Great picture :bigthumb:
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HMS Queen Elizabeth being escorted by HMS Somerset, 1:500 scale
(https://i.redd.it/km0timm9z5d51.jpg)
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Both pics are great. :applause:
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Not very accurate though; it has aircraft on it.
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Not very accurate though; it has aircraft on it.
Most of the FAA parked on that deck.
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(https://i.redd.it/ojph2xc1etd51.jpg)
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HMS Rodney under the Forth Bridge, 1930s
(https://i.redd.it/oga9zirysdd51.jpg)
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Fantastic picture. I've been over that bridge :-)
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I'm thinking the Rodney's the one on the right? ;D That is pretty. She was an oddly configured ship but more than made-up for it in actual battle. :bigthumb:
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Her sister ship was HMS Nelson.
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It's kind of surptising to me that no game has ever gamed out the Pedestal convoy to Malta.
The covering Force was Nelson and Rodney. The Italians had two Littorios out, but chose not to engage.
One somewhat confusing point was the covering Force was named Force Z. Why the RN would use the same designator as Prince of Wales and Repulse seems very odd.
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The Italians would've just run for home I think. The Nelson Class were pretty slow as I recall. Unless maybe a night fight. But it would have been fun to watch.
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It's kind of surptising to me that no game has ever gamed out the Pedestal convoy to Malta.
The covering Force was Nelson and Rodney. The Italians had two Littorios out, but chose not to engage.
One somewhat confusing point was the covering Force was named Force Z. Why the RN would use the same designator as Prince of Wales and Repulse seems very odd.
Maybe to confuse the Italians ;)
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https://twitter.com/Erikhistorian/status/1289354406341664768
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That's a really cool picture.
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It certainly is.
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1289607219550359554
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I wonder how often aircraft on the deck get damaged by heavy sea's?
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/08/03/iran-accidentally-sinks-fake-aircraft-carrier-in-wrong-place/amp/
Iran's mock up of a carrier has sunk in the channel to the Navy base. Bandar Abbas.
This could become a lot of fun watching them try to salvage it.
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lol
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Oops!
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That is funny!
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A Self-Sinking Aircraft Carrier. What will they think of next? ::) Wait, isn't that called a ... Submarine? :hehe:
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I suspect there may be a technical difference between 'sinking' and 'submerging'.
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You are correct as always Good Sir. But I wonder if the Ayatollah will be as understanding when he finds out his fake Aircraft Carrier is now a Fishing Pier. :hehe:
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Peace on your head.
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Piece of soggy deck plate?
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Duck pate?
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This has been a bad year for Aircraft Carriers hasn't it? Even pretend ones. Maybe it's time to go back to Dreadnaughts. :-[
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Nah... Longships and Dromons are the way to go
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Italian monitor Alfredo Cappellini
(https://i.redd.it/yzxqfyyrh1f51.jpg)
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??? :o :biggrin:
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Obviously a design to confuse the enemy. And a good one too. Because , I'm more confused than usual.
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Difficult to tell what the calibre of those guns are, maybe 16", but I wonder how far astern the ship went when they fired 'em?
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If the ship ran onto a sandbar it could blast itself backward to freedom.
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Or... they back the ship toward the enemy, they think, 'This thing has no guns'. And then..... :doh:
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HMS Diamond as seen from the bow of HMS Victory
(https://i.redd.it/bmnn66kzedf51.jpg)
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That is a terrific picture :bigthumb:
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www.gunplot.net/main/content/chapter-7-greece-battle-matapan
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Strasbourg scuttled, behind it the cruiser Colbert is on fire, Toulon, November 1942, with Loire 130 flying boat.
(https://i.imgur.com/J7x18l1.jpg)
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Royal Navy and Royal Air Force Harriers onboard SS Atlantic Conveyor on the way to the Falklands, just off Ascension Island 1982. She was sunk by a stray Exocet missile with the loss of 12 of her crew on the 28 May 1982
(https://i.imgur.com/CxW0vin.jpg)
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Brings back sad memories.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35708/the-navy-now-has-a-submarine-aggressor-squadron
The Navy is planning to implement an Aggressor submarine force to use foreign navies tactics and doctrines.
This is like Top Gun and Red Flag flying an agressor squadron with foreign air forces tactics.
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I would buy THAT on Pay-Per-View. :D
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Bow of USSGrowler after a night time melee with a Japanese patrol boat.
During this captain Howard K Gilmore was machine gunned. To save the ship he cleared the bridge and ordered "Take her down".
In Clay Blair's book, Silent Victory, it is stated that Growler was surprised by an airplane.
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Royal Navy and Royal Air Force Harriers onboard SS Atlantic Conveyor on the way to the Falklands, just off Ascension Island 1982. She was sunk by a stray Exocet missile with the loss of 12 of her crew on the 28 May 1982
(https://i.imgur.com/CxW0vin.jpg)
I didn't think they were stray - I thought they specifically targeted her because they thought she was one of the carriers.
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That was always my understanding as well.
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Yeah. Sheffield got hit by a stray iirc...I think another ship fired chaff (Broadsword?) and when the missiles cleared, they found and targeted Sheff.
I think
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Yeah. Sheffield got hit by a stray iirc...I think another ship fired chaff (Broadsword?) and when the missiles cleared, they found and targeted Sheff.
I think
Wiki says it was HMS Glasgow that fired chaff.
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1309402621971755009
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Fascinating! Thanks for posting that. :bigthumb:
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More 'boat' than 'ship'
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Interesting! There was obviously quite a lot of riverine warfare.
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More 'floating tank' than 'boat'.
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Looks like a tank and a barge decided to have a baby together. So... a, 'Targe'? 'Bank' Is already taken.
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More 'boat' than 'ship'
After some searching, it appears to be the following:
The Soviet BK1125 boat was used between 1939 and 1945 in all European fronts, from Austria in 1945 to Stalingrad…in all rivers. This armoured ship was used like a tank in a river, in fact Bronekater (BK) means armoured ship. The ship was specially designed to carry different turrets, specially T34, T28 turrets and Dushka turrets. The normal tank factories produced the same turrets for tanks and ships.
Source: Bronekater BK 1124/BK 1125 – Armored Patrol Boats (https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2016/11/28/bronekater-bk-1124bk-1125-armored-patrol-boats/)
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Wouldn't that thing be classified as a 'monitor'?
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37293/a-greek-navy-minehunting-vessel-got-sliced-in-two-by-a-container-ship
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37293/a-greek-navy-minehunting-vessel-got-sliced-in-two-by-a-container-ship
How does that happen? I mean, I get the size of a tanker and doing anything fast in it is not an option...but I'd have thought the minesweeper might have a bit more ooomph in it's speed and manoeuvrability
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JD, I have not looked at this closely, so this is all supposition.
Most minesweepers are optimised for slow operations. As you may imagine, speed is useless if in a minefield. So they try to put their ship far from larger ships.
That being said, the simplest answer is the merchant did something that violated the nautical Rules of the Road, or the sweeps bridge watch screwed up.
Since most small vessels know they will lose in a collision, I'd assume it was the sweeps Captain's fault.
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One account seems to say this occurred in the channel between Salamis and the mainland.
The container ship was likely heading in to Elefsis to unload. Or there is a shipyard there. It was named Hellenic shipyard in the 1970s.
Possibly the minesweeper was going in, or out, for repair work.
Although this is where the famous galley battle was fought with hundreds of triremes, it is a very tight strait. One deep channel in a roadstead about as wide as the Thames in London.
It used to be that ships waiting for repair, or to be scrapped, were anchored haphazardly around the channel. Possibly o e of the two had to get around an anchored ship and this put it on a collision course in close quarters.
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https://www.dvidshub.net/image/617709/live-fire-exercise-aboard-uss-dwight-d-eisenhower
Seems that they are now putting 50 Cal's on the Ike. If they're sailing into the Persian Gulf, with all the Iranian motor boat s, this has to be a necessity.
This makes me chuckle.
When we homeported six destroyers to Athens, a shipalt was requested.
The commodore wanted a 50 Cal's mount on rach bridgewing
Turned down flat because of potential metal fatigue to the aluminum superstructure.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39240/the-navy-wants-to-get-rid-of-its-nearly-brand-new-patrol-boats
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https://twitter.com/AndrewSErickson/status/1359900848218898435
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Ummm...yeah.... The People's Armed Forces Militia and their "fleet" of fishing trawlers... :ROFL:
Is this stuff serious? Sure the PLAN is building up by why make this article look like a joke by including that non-sense? ???
And all that chart shows is that they built/might build a bunch of destroyers, frigates, corvettes, and "other vessels not listed". :idiot2:
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Why combine carriers, cruisers, and destroyers on one line. Those are vastly different ship types.
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https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/focus-analysis/naval-technology/9710-the-birtish-navy-unveils-the-carrier-strike-group.html
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Good god...carrier strike groups are very small nowadays. I guess when you have a couple of ships that can track 500 targets each, you don't need much
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LOL...the URL says "birtish" yet it works ;D
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Good god...carrier strike groups are very small nowadays. I guess when you have a couple of ships that can track 500 targets each, you don't need much
"The HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier is able to carry up to forty aircraft, with a normal maximum load of thirty-six F-35s and four helicopters, but she has also a theoretical surge capacity of up to 72 aircraft."
...leaving me with the image of them stuffing pieces of airplanes under bunks, into the heads, .... (Note: actual aircraft parts are not floppy like stiff jello. That's probably just me.)
Having an actual submarine with the strike group is cool. Admiral Jellicoe's ghost jumps up and says, "Haha!"
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Only one sub?
Don't bet on that.
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https://twitter.com/CavasShips/status/1158488897166499840
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Could that possibly be a new, "Rust-Pattern" camo? ;D
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Could that possibly be a new, "Rust-Pattern" camo? ;D
I don't think we're deploying the navy to Detroit or Cleveland, are we?
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Boy! If those people ever get the Internet, you're going to be in trouble. :hehe:
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https://news.usni.org/2021/04/20/africom-chinese-naval-base-in-africa-set-to-support-aircraft-carriers
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this is either a really tragic accident, or the start of a James Bond plot
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56829278
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"From Jakarta With Love". :biggrin:
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I hope they find those submariners alive. It's only been a day or less and those DE boats can stay down a few days on batteries.
Still, no contact or surface sightings is a bad omen.
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I hope they find those submariners alive. It's only been a day or less and those DE boats can stay down a few days on batteries.
Still, no contact or surface sightings is a bad omen.
+1. That sucks. :(
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Sad news i'm afraid:
53 crew of lost naval submarine declared dead as Indonesia finds wreckage
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/25/asia/indonesia-submarine-wreckage-intl/index.html
RIP 53 brave souls
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https://www.axios.com/indonesian-submarine-sunk-missing-eccd1c18-faca-4e2b-9341-110d2db13f5a.html
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https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1387723212310593536
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I love this set of captions
https://twitter.com/mitchprothero/status/1387735858296598530
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https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2021/04/29/despite-littoral-combat-ships-myriad-issues-the-cno-is-bullish-on-their-future/
The CNO says the LCS ships are working out.
Probably smart to assign them specific modules. They may have the capability to do multiple missions, but with such small crews, it is usually better to specialise and be good at that.
Looks like the propulsion system was not tested. Enough before going into production.
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We used to joke that LCS meant little crappy ship. It's an example of an acquisition program gone wrong. The FFG(X)'s motto was "we are NOT the LCS."
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=35yLWdYEbZQ
Battle off Samar m
Drachinifel, the YouTube sage of all things naval, has posted a video of the hypothetical Battle of San Bernardino strait.
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the hypothetical Battle of San Bernardino strait.
As a guy who thinks of San Bernardino as part of the Inland Empire in Southern California, that's just kind of funny to me :)
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Sounds like it could be a biker flick from the late 60's- "The Battle of San Berdoo"
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Very interesting. :notworthy:
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Nice to see the RN back in the carrier business
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40687/british-carrier-joins-u-s-amphibious-forces-in-north-atlantic-in-a-vision-of-whats-to-come
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:applause: :applause: :applause:
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https://twitter.com/Rich_Ships/status/1396720312004325379
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Wow!
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Wow!
x100
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Cool! :applause:
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Incredible.
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That's pretty impressive.
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Iran's largest warship catches fire, sinks in Gulf of Oman (https://www.yahoo.com/news/fire-strikes-largest-iranian-navy-052103271.html)
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Gee, what a pity! ::)
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Tsk. Hit by one of their own missiles apparently.
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Tsk. Hit by one of their own missiles apparently.
That was an incident last year. I don't think they know yet what happened with the Kharg.
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I'm a bit out of date then ;D
Interestingly, the ship involved in this incident was built here on the Tyne by Swan Hunters, and lay there for 7 years before finally being released to Iran.
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This is very disturbing to me....... Now I'm over it. :biggrin:
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Just what the RN needs
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40877/not-even-the-monarchy-wants-this-new-royal-yacht
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I say donate it to Bob. :bigthumb:
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I get seasick on a big puddle.
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I get seasick on a big puddle.
Tonight, on Double Entendre Theatre....
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Oh, that's my favorite show! I like to eat Jumbo Shrimp while I watch it.
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1401669113446076419
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Oh, that's my favorite show! I like to eat Jumbo Shrimp while I watch it.
That food would go better with Oxymorons At Eight.
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1401940879129124864
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What a great picture :bigthumb:
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1401940879129124864
Can we keep this discussion on an adult level? I'm sure the Duchess of York has a lovely aft, but it's hardly proper to oogle it, and do we really need to be talking about her pom-poms and bofors?
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Can we keep this discussion on an adult level? I'm sure the Duchess of York has a lovely aft, but it's hardly proper to oogle it, and do we really need to be talking about her pom-poms and bofors?
Pace yourself while day-drinking.
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Newcastle Quayside 1963. The Millennium Bridge now prevents anything that big from coming this far up river.
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aka HMS Hero
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https://twitter.com/WarshipPorn/status/1402408881452691460
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(https://i.imgur.com/cb1O577.jpeg)
https://imgur.com/gallery/pLXA5qD
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Awesome ;D
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:o :bigthumb:
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That pic gives me Wood. I mean....that pic gives me wood-WORKING ideas. That's what I meant. :whistle:
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:sigh:
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Very impressive.
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Canada is still trying with subs. It's a critical milestone to put them in the water.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41075/canadian-submarine-bedeviled-by-accidents-for-a-decade-is-finally-back-in-the-water
https://twitter.com/RoyalCanNavy/status/1404061687515430916
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/06/16/dont-look-now-but-the-us-navys-littoral-combat-ships-are-actually-doing-stuff/
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/06/16/dont-look-now-but-the-us-navys-littoral-combat-ships-are-actually-doing-stuff/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/06/16/dont-look-now-but-the-us-navys-littoral-combat-ships-are-actually-doing-stuff/)
Lord forbid they ever have to go into combat. Time to move on from the LCS and just build more Burkes until the FFGX is in service. The LCS costs as much to operate as a Burke and is a helluva lot less capable.
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Ford shock trial
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41181/shocking-images-americas-newest-aircraft-carrier-endured-explosive-tests-off-florida
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Ford shock trial
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41181/shocking-images-americas-newest-aircraft-carrier-endured-explosive-tests-off-florida
I don't know why but that explosion was mesmerizing to watch
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Best caption I saw online was "B7 - MISS!"
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;D
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In one of my previous jobs, I was involved in the planning of that test. If I still had that job, I would have been on board the Ford for the test. That would have been cool, but I'm glad I don't have that job any more.
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In training, there used to be a movie that demonstrated the effectiveness of shock mountings.
Much of the gear in radio central was on shock mountings. At that time, a lot of equipment still used klystron tubes, printed circuits were the coming thing, and the goal was that the tubes would not be shaken loose in combat.
In a simulated explosion, the vid showed a rack of tuners bouncing and shaking almost two feet up and around. Then a radioman came in and turned on the gear and tuned them.
Very impressive, but the class asked, what happens to the Mark 1 Mod 0 sailor who isn't on a shock mount?
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Ha!
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41349/u-s-destroyer-shows-up-right-off-crimea-on-vessel-tracking-sites-but-it-never-left-port
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/06/29/secretive-submarines-are-cropping-up-all-over-the-place/
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41497/the-navys-experimental-m80-stiletto-demonstrated-the-ability-to-defeat-drone-swarms-at-sea
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Cool!
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https://news.artnet.com/art-world/divers-discover-ancient-military-vessel-thonis-heracleion-1991300/amp-page
This should be very interesting.
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https://news.usni.org/2021/07/31/navy-quietly-decommissions-littoral-combat-ship-independence-after-11-years
USS Independence (LCS-2) was decommissioned.
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https://thediplomat.com/2021/08/a-tale-of-2-navies-india-and-chinas-current-carrier-and-escort-procurement/
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Interesting race developing there.
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https://news.usni.org/2021/07/31/navy-quietly-decommissions-littoral-combat-ship-independence-after-11-years (https://news.usni.org/2021/07/31/navy-quietly-decommissions-littoral-combat-ship-independence-after-11-years)
USS Independence (LCS-2) was decommissioned.
yet, I thought I read that the USS Nimitz (commissioned in the 1970s IIRC) is preparing for another deployment?
USS Nimitz gets new leader as shipyard work toward next deployment continues (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uss-nimitz-gets-new-leader-as-shipyard-work-toward-next-deployment-continues/ar-AAMTQNt?ocid=uxbndlbing)
hmmm
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4tj7UGRrE4
Nevada leaving Pearl for Puget S sound. She gets underway about 4:00.
The Standards had a sort of elegance.
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^Cool!
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Awesome clip :bigthumb:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DDfDnZ7FiZg&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR389hAHs41MR8GJVuQ0xVSxFS8cNnb6GVFKYpmCveFrgM3iO9hnqdRMrQ0
USS Missouri under attack by Iraqi missile.
Sea Dart got it.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DDfDnZ7FiZg&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR389hAHs41MR8GJVuQ0xVSxFS8cNnb6GVFKYpmCveFrgM3iO9hnqdRMrQ0
USS Missouri under attack by Iraqi missile.
Sea Dart got it.
Yow.
"Seersucker" Who comes up with these things?
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Great story! :applause:
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Www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/34104/nukes-nubs-and-coners-the-unique-social-hierarchy-aboard-a-nuclear-submarine
Interesting take on submariners.
And no. Noah didn't go to sea with 500 crew, and returned with 250 couples.
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Good article :bigthumb:
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+1
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https://twitter.com/mercoglianos/status/1433628451668471809
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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/age-battleships-dead-and-long-gone-189247
Interesting article.
Here's a gumdrop of knowledge. The Wisconsin's system for fighting magazine fires sprung a leak after the last commissioning.
After opening the flanges, they found the seals were originally placed about 1948.
They were made of leather. Anyone have a leather belt that still fits after fifty years?
They cobbled together a replacement but it would have been fun to hear the noise level rise when the replacement chit arrived at the Supply desk in Norfolk.
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Ring, ring.
"Norfolk Marine Supply. How may I help you?"
"This is Lt. Shortstraw. Back about 20 years ago, you folks bought out Newport News Shipfitters?"
"Uh, sure, if you say so."
"In 1948, Newport News Shipfitters supplied us with leather gaskets for firefighting water supply lines for the Iowa class. Do you still have those drawings?"
"Drawings? ... There's nothing in the online catalog..."
"No, I'm told they would be drawings. On big sheets of paper."
"Paper?"
"Can I speak to someone...older?"
Eventually, they find Erasmus Sneed, aged 107, who is wheeled from the retirement home into the shop and over to the shelving in the darkest back corner. He points directly to the third shelf from the top, where they evict several small mammals and find a rolled up life-size drawing of the gasket.
"So, now, where do we get leather?"
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:ROFL:
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https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htwin/articles/20210906.aspx
A Kursk class sub lost power while transitioning through the Skagerrak.
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Probably the mice running on the little, spinning wheel got tired. :hehe:
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The USS Connecticut, a Seawolf-class attack submarine, did a boo-boo
https://news.usni.org/2021/10/07/breaking-attack-submarine-uss-connecticut-suffers-underwater-in-pacific
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Is that a career ender for the captain?
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It could be. A court of inquiry will determine if the navigation was sloppy.
If so there can be a court martial to determine the captain's fate.
If the problem was, for example, an unmarked underwater mount,, then there might be no fault.
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It's interesting to me that they're quite vague on exactly what the sub hit.
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Maybe they don't know?
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Aquaman
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Or - The Deep
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Prince Namor of course. He hates subs. And the Human Torch. :biggrin:
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This is getting rather interesting. By now, it would have been announced if it was a merchant ship or an uncharted physical object. It is barely possible it might be something like a slowly sinking object that was struck. (Buoys, for example, are made to float. If it broke its chain and sprung a tiny leak. But it's a huge ocean.)
I think the only logical choices would be another submarine, of unannounced nationality.
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Or the Chinese had a gigantic amount of leftover sand or rock from one of their island building adventures and decided to secretly dump it in a tall pile where it might fuck with someone else's navy.
All in the spirit of harmless fun, of course.
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So you're suggesting that they trolled us by building a seamount?
By the rule that a practical joke has to cost the joker some significant effort, that would be a pretty good one.
Has anyone seen any pictures of the damage?
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https://thewarhorse.org/rule-1-of-submarines-dont-crash-the-submarine/
An account of an earlier sub collision.
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https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/defence/secret-victorian-coin-found-hidden-under-nelsons-flagships-mast-in-portsmouth-3425930?
A tradition that went back to the Phoenicians.
somewhere along the way, another tradition was lost. To give the boat a soul, captives, or slaves, would be placed on the slip way when the boat was launched.
Funny how people keep messing with tried and true methods. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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^They better put that back or else the HMS Victory is doomed!
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Not to mention the tradition of putting eyes on the bow of the ship so it could avoid danger.
Something the US Navy should seriously consider.
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https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20211028.aspx
Good discussion on possible answers to the Connecticut collision with other recent sub events.
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https://news.usni.org/2021/11/01/investigation-concludes-uss-connecticut-grounded-on-uncharted-sea-mount-in-south-china-sea
The conclusion won't please the conspiracy folks. It will likely be labeled a white wash.
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The-Chinese-sneakily-built-a-sea-mount theory confirmed!
The South China Sea apparently does have a lot of bumpy bits to run into. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Darter_(SS-227)#Fourth_patrol)
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https://www.navytimes.com/news/2021/11/01/officials-damaged-us-navy-sub-struck-underwater-mountain/
On another site, a troll asserted that the object was a secret Chinese underwater oil drilling facility.
Sounds like a James Bond plot.
"But, M, my dinner jacket is not wash and wear. My tailor will be very annoyed."
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From an NPR article on the subject:
"New estimates suggest that, taken together, seamounts encompass about 28.8 million square kilometers of the Earth's surface," NOAA says. "That's larger than deserts, tundra, or any other single land-based global habitat on the planet."
Yes. Lots of bumpy bits.
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From an NPR article on the subject:
"New estimates suggest that, taken together, seamounts encompass about 28.8 million square kilometers of the Earth's surface," NOAA says. "That's larger than deserts, tundra, or any other single land-based global habitat on the planet."
Yes. Lots of bumpy bits.
Have I just created a new technical term?
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Comsubfor is holding a "navigational" standdown.
Since the Navigator was not relieved, or given papers, it sounds to me that they were doing something on watch that they shouldn't.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10331843/New-Russian-stealth-warship-suffers-225million-damage-catching-fire-construction.html
A Russian war ship has a fire in a shipyard.
Again?
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Vodka is flammable. :dunno:
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Somebody's getting a long vacation in Siberia. :doh: I hearit's cold there this time of year.
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https://warontherocks.com/2021/12/the-unplanned-costs-of-an-unmanned-fleet
More on the LCS and also about the effort to automate ships and reduce the size of the crew.
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To solve all its problems, large organization seeks Philosopher's Stone; fails to find it. Film at 11:00.
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Whenever a DoD program is justified because it will save money through reduced crew size, more commonality, higher reliability, or whatever, you know they are lying.
The LCS is an example of how NOT to do DoD acquisition. The motto of the FFG(X) was "we are not the LCS."
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https://catalog.archives.gov/id/84174
Carrier air strike 1965.
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https://catalog.archives.gov/id/84174
Carrier air strike 1965.
That movie hit home for me. My dad was on carriers in the 60s and early 70s and did several tours off the coast of Vietnam. He was a weapons guy, so he'd be below decks getting ordnance ready, or on the flight deck loading the planes. Those guys wore red shirts on the flight deck, and I still have one or two of his shirts he wore. He was never on the USS Ranger and I think we were on our way to San Diego in 1965, but many of my friends and classmates had fathers on the Ranger.
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Man...look at the ordinance that Skyraider was carrying!
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A1's are just awesome aircraft.
I was reading recently about the Skyraiders that the Royal Navy operated.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR0GrSihc6tXbhR9TV55u1RnH30GPsjqkmvJMD1ChVf3L54Elxhvb2Wf9yw&v=igED1LaKNCI&feature=youtu.be
Video of the escort carriers off Samar.
Pretty sure I've never seen this.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR0GrSihc6tXbhR9TV55u1RnH30GPsjqkmvJMD1ChVf3L54Elxhvb2Wf9yw&v=igED1LaKNCI&feature=youtu.be
Video of the escort carriers off Samar.
Pretty sure I've never seen this.
That's really cool. I know I haven't seen that footage.
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Man...look at the ordinance that Skyraider was carrying!
Google SKYRAIDER TOILET sometime.
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Yep - I know the one you mean ;D
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A true classic. :bigthumb:
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https://twitter.com/CcibChris/status/1486619344901660675
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https://twitter.com/CcibChris/status/1486619344901660675
Very cool to read
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https://maritime.org/sound/
Various odds and ends of nautical sound re ordings.
The first is very unusual the submarine Sealion sinks the Haruna.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iPC5G2jPeu0
It looks like the Slave class cruiser, Moskva, has been hit by two Ukrainian Neptune missiles.
Considering the poor repair facilities and lack of funds, he will probably be scrapped.
The Black Sea fleet has really hard luck with the fleet flagship. Moskva is a replacement for the previous flag, Kerch.
He was lost after a massive, multi-million dollar refurbishment that ended with a huge engine room fire that gutted the ship. Something like the fire that ruined Bonhomme Richard last summer. As you may recall, the theory is a disgruntled sailor set the fire.
Kerch was lost for a totally different reason. A yard worker put his shorts on a steam pipe to dry.
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and b/c Turkey isn't allowing warships in/out of the Black Sea, the Russians can't replace it :whistle:
C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-)
(note, further Ukraine-specific chatter should be shifted to the Ukraine Conflict channel we set up on Discord to minimize any contentiousness here. If you need help getting access to that, pls PM me)
C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-)
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https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/w/war-damage-reports/uss-enterprise-cv6-war-history-1941-1945.html
War history of the carrier Enterprise.
Very sobering read. May explain why she never became a museum ship.
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United States Navy 2022
(https://i.redd.it/0oyy6ajte3b91.png)
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Ohio class SSGN and Ohio class SSBN?
I don't see Grasp.
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https://www.usni.org/magazine/naval-history-magazine/2019/december/fighting-for-survival
Damage control on Yorktown. Good description of the hits at Coral Sea.
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dude pointing out all the people wishing the US Navy a happy birthday with non-US Navy ships in the graphics
it's a whole thread of this
https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/status/1580540195316695040
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That reminds me of the time I was waiting to get new tires at Town Fair tire and noticed that the patriotic window display of US soldier and AFV silhouettes included a ZSU 23-4 Shilka. ???
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I saw several posts wishing the Navy a happy birthday with a picture of the USS Chesapeake:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Chesapeake_Mill_-_geograph.org.uk_-_178198.jpg)
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I saw several posts wishing the Navy a happy birthday with a picture of the USS Chesapeake:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Chesapeake_Mill_-_geograph.org.uk_-_178198.jpg)
Hoi y`all and had anybody "watched" them 'videos' about: "When 'French Hotels' WENT to Sea/Battle"?
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^ Holy Tumblehome Batman!
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https://www.strategypage.com/bookreviews/2388
New book on the Dreadnaught development and use in WWI.
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https://www-ukrinform-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.ukrinform.net/amp/rubric-ato/3647091-russian-fleet-loses-another-two-flagships-intelligence-source.html?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D&
The Russian navy is a mess.
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https://www-ukrinform-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.ukrinform.net/amp/rubric-ato/3647091-russian-fleet-loses-another-two-flagships-intelligence-source.html?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D&
The Russian navy is a mess.
The intelligence source also reported that another ship of the Southern Fleet, the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov of the Soviet Union Fleet, is also in critical disrepair.
At the same time, the report says the crews of both ships have been formed anyway. The size of the crew of the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov of the Soviet Union Fleet was brought to wartime alert. The crew of the heavy nuclear cruiser Admiral Nakhimov has also been formed and is preparing to arrive on board.
"Soviet Union" Fleet ;D
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They're still ahead of the Mongolian Navy. :biggrin: But not by much.
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At least Mongolia's entire navy is at operational readiness, more or less...
https://nowiknow.com/mongolias-strange-and-unnecessary-and-really-small-navy/
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I KNEW someone would come-up with the Pride of Mongolia's facts and figures here. Just didn't know it would be Stagger. But I probably should have. Well done! :applause:
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https://www-pravda-com-ua.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/01/9/7384073/index.amp
The end of old smokey?
Admiral Kuznetzov has internal spaces filled with water and inspectors report serious hull degradation.
The carrier Franklin D Roosevelt (nicknamed Eleanor's pig) was worked to death during Nam and then sent to the Med for the Yom Kippur war. Surveyed before entering a yard period, it was determined her hull had degraded to the point it would collapse on itself without water holding the skin up.
Ships age and need constant TLC.
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I say we take the USS Texas out of dry dock and they have a shoot out 8)
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I'd buy a ticket for that. If...my seat WASN'T on the Kuznetsov however. :biggrin:
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2023/01/08/navy-museum-battleship-model/
Looking forward to the new museum of the Navy.
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https://www.popsci.com/technology/navy-ship-gets-large-metal-printer
Not sure if this goes under ships or if we need a thread on new technologies.
Xerox (!) Has developed a 3D printer that will ease supply problems.
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Cool. Now if they could just 3-D print the ships... ???
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahs47A1x7ac
1920 video of HMS Tiger and Hood at Stockholm.
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Beautiful ships. :dreamer:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1Y89HSLkAV5M17G4-893YM0HhfCiBNem-sB1bQ4VFewozFEnEp6gxxKJk&v=Y7XjrAFBr58&feature=youtu.be
Good run down on Russian and Chinese carrier development.
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Well, here's a gumdrop of knowledge for you.
If you read about age of sail engagements, the British accounts always say that the Spanish and French ships had piles of dead and wounded on deck. Also, you can read the same sort of description in CS Forester, Patrick O'Brien, Douglas Reeman, eh al.
The reason for this was the Royal Navy taught their sailors to throw dead men over the side, during combat.
The bodies got in the way and seeing all the casualties was disheartening.
The Spanish and French did not have this policy. So iN a battle, their decks were covered with dead.
The reason was that those navys would not issue a certificate of death without the body.
For the widows to receive any compensation, or to remarry, they had to have the death certified.
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After Power Point presentation at work, we would often stack the dead and wounded on the presentation table.
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Was that after you and your colleagues tangled with the pirates of the Crimson Permanent Assurance?
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;D :bigthumb:
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Power Points should long ago have been considered, Weapons of Mass Destruction. Just saying.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vOu11kK5os0&
For all those War Plan Orange players.
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Interesting to see those F3Fs, and also a TBD in its peacetime color scheme, albeit under not the best circumstances.
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Vitorio Veneto after one torpedo at Cape Matapan.
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Interesting to see those F3Fs, and also a TBD in its peacetime color scheme, albeit under not the best circumstances.
Yeah, luckily I have built/constructed 'Model Kits' in their apropos 'color schemes' so, sure enough-! I especially liked the 'P-26' "Peashooter" or 'BF2C' "Goshawk"-!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/82/7a/67827a7bb07c0b2f64dfd71219d79b02.jpg)
There below is a "Goshawk" in 'Chineses livery'-!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Curtiss_Model_68_Hawk_III.jpg)
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Great pictures :bigthumb:
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I just love seeing those inter-war planes.
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:dreamer: All!
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https://laststandonzombieisland.com/2023/03/22/warship-wednesday-march-22-2023-herr-ericssons-original-tin-can/
For those who are interested in ship experiments following the ACW, the designerf of the Monitor, John Ericsson, invented an underwater cannon.
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Cool! I never heard this story before. Thanks Besilarius. :applause:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ttDKnhc0H0g&feature=share
Comparing the galley of an aircraft carrier to the food in Das Boot is similar but on a larger scale.
For unreps, underway replenishment, the carrier has a small, glass bubble sticking out over the starboard hull. The conning officer sits in it while controlling the carrier's approach and station keeping.
After weeks in which no ship got closer than 2,000 yards, some get a bit disturbed, giddy that the store ship is maybe eighty yards away, steaming alongside.
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http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/RAFCarriers.html
British carriers in the Pacific.
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I'll watch the vid later on, but just wanted to mention that the HMS Victorious was actually loaned to the US Navy for a while and refitted to conduct US style naval aviation operations under the name USS Robin. She kept most of her RN crew but had her original (US made Lend-Lease) aircraft repainted in US markings. She was meant to strengthen the US Navy's carrier fleet during a period between when the US lost one carrier as well as another out of action, and when the new Essex-class carrier would enter service.
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Cool! Didn't know that. :bigthumb:
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https://www.armouredcarriers.com/uss-robin-hms-victorious
Best account I've seen on Victorious in the South Pacific.
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https://twitter.com/yulenbilbao/status/1668941336442032130
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VnS_eaSldvs&feature=share
Nice presentation On damage repair. Some rather appalling photos of damages, especially by torpedo.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/1611065292284356/permalink/6685164501541051/
U SS Newcome after multiple kamikaze hits.
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http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/SkyFleet.html
1934 pastiche I f a carrier at war. Some vintage planes.
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http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/SkyFleet.html
1934 pastiche I f a carrier at war. Some vintage planes.
Lots and lots of good stuff Bes!
If I'm not mistaken, around 7:49 they show the famous exercise where Billy Mitchell's Martin MB-2s dropped practice munitions on the WW1 war prize battleship SMS Ostfriesland, which they would later sink, creating a notable controversy and leading to Mitchell's court marshal for calling out the War Dept for its short sightedness and deliberate obstruction to a proper US Air Force.
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https://www.pearlharboraviationmuseum.org/blog/pearl-harbor-thunderfish-in-the-sky/?
Japanese torpedo development for the shallow water drop at Pearl Harbor.
Also contrasts with the different British solution used at Taranto.
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HMS Victory. Such ships were built entire of oak and a three decker consumed of 900 acres of 3,500 full grown trees. They were driven by 50,000 square feet of canvas, eleven square sails on three masts, plus 3 jibs, 4 staysails, 10 stunsails, and a spinnaker, with two sets of each onboard, and were fitted with 80 tons of spars, 900 blocks, and 34 miles of rope - some of it six inches thick.
The Birth of the Modern. Paul Johnson.
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HMS Victory. Such ships were built entire of oak and a three decker consumed of 900 acres of 3,500 full grown trees. They were driven by 50,000 square feet of canvas, eleven square sails on three masts, plus 3 jibs, 4 staysails, 10 stunsails, and a spinnaker, with two sets of each onboard, and were fitted with 80 tons of spars, 900 blocks, and 34 miles of rope - some of it six inches thick.
The Birth of the Modern. Paul Johnson.
I’ve always found it fascinating how many trees were needed to build these ships. And the logistical planning that had to go in to planting such forests for ship building. Always thought that the game Civilization should have had wood as a resource needed to build ships. Ship building is the main reason the Cedars of Lebanon went extinct.
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Never knew how much credence to give this.
A port captain in Elefsis Greece was familiar with the ancient myths. In them, much of Greece was forested. He believed this changed after Lepanto. The Turks had to build a fleet in a hurry over the winter and basically denuded the Greek lands by cutting down all the timber. That's why the soil is so poor.
Not sure of t.his since at that time, the 1970s, all things bad were because of the Turks.
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I’ve always found it fascinating how many trees were needed to build these ships. And the logistical planning that had to go in to planting such forests for ship building. Always thought that the game Civilization should have had wood as a resource needed to build ships. Ship building is the main reason the Cedars of Lebanon went extinct.
In retrospect, it's somewhat amazing wood is not a needed resource in Civ. You're right. For centuries it was vital to not only shipbuilding but many other industries as well. Lightbulb going off moment there!
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This is interesting.
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^ Ed Nash always has great vids, whether they be about obscure aircraft (or flattops) or about potential modern weapons in Ukraine. He's definitely worth a youtube channel sub.
Rex's Hanger is another good channel for interesting aircraft, though his videos tens to run a bit longer.
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Yes, stagger, you're right - I have watched a couple of his.
The thought of coal-fired paddle-wheel aircraft carriers made me immediately think of the 'Philip José Farmer' Riverworld books :-)
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https://twitter.com/WorldWarIII1987/status/1701976443838742873
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Nice! :bigthumb:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h7RF261_Y_I
HMS Rodney. Don't recall ever hearing about the sheep.
During her refit in Boston navy yard, her captain invited any American sailor to visit and tour. His pink gin was much appreciated in the Atlantic fleet.
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For many centuries it was common to designate cannon caliber by the weight of the projectile. So we hear of a "12-pounder" or a "32-pounder," which tells us that the gun fired a round of approximately the indicated weight. Now that sounds reasonable, until one recalls that it was rare for the word "pound" to mean the same thing in two different countries.
Comparative Weight of the Pound
Country English Ounces
Austria 15.9
Bavaria 19.75
Denmark 17.64
France 17.33
Greece 16.96
Hanover 16.50
Hansa Towns 17.09
Hesse 17.12
Naples 12.00
Netherlands 17.44
Papal States 11.96
Piedmont 11.70
Portugal 16.19
Russia 14.56
Saxony 16.49
Sicily 11.20
Spain 16.20
Sweden 15.00
Venice 16.80
To give some idea of the differences, consider the comparative weight in English measure of the 24 pounder cannon ball of each of the principal naval powers in the period 1790-1815:
Denmark 26 pounds 7.75 ounces
France 25 14.50
Netherlands 26 2.25
Russia 21 10.50
Spain 24 5.50
Sweden 22 7.75
Surprisingly, it's a rare historian who takes into account the differences in weight between the apparently identical gun poundage of opposing forces, which could reach significant proportions when dealing which major warships such as frigates (carrying anywhere from 28 to 44 guns) or ships-of-the-line (with 64 to 120 guns). In fact, for the age of sail, only William M. James (1780-1827), author of the six volume A Naval History of Great Britain: During the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars, Vol. 1: 1793-1796 addressed the question directly. When preparing accounts of engagements, James carefully converted gun weights into English measure to more accurately reflect comparative firepower.
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https://twitter.com/WarshipCam/status/1719451752104087750
https://twitter.com/WarshipCam/status/1719489699851493639
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https://twitter.com/WarshipCam/status/1719342597678764228
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:applause:
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Looks like the Theodore Roosevelt back there behind the Spruance.
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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-does-russias-only-aircraft-carrier-pump-out-so-much-black-smoke-207452?dicbo=v2-IqG9Al3&
Bunker C? If you want to learn more check out The Sand Pebbles or The Left Handed Monkey Wrench by chief McKenna.
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https://www.forces.net/services/navy/carriers-crew-work-their-way-through-half-mountains-worth-sausages?
All that toilet paper, how many trees?
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https://twitter.com/BobKoonce/status/1760788070213812731
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https://twitter.com/johnkonrad/status/1764339583297155317
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https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-66543643?
Back to the future?
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During the battle of Leyte Gulf, the confusion between Third Fleet under admiral Halsey and Seventh Fleet under admiral Kincaid was the cause of much anguish. Much of the problem was that under MacArthur is communication plan, the two fleet commanders did not have direct contact. Kincaid's urgent request for air strikes and fast battleships had to go through a relay station on Manus island. There it was placed in a queue to be resent in the order it was teceived.
One of Kincaid's despatches indicated a very heavy expenditure of ammunition against the southern Japanese force at Surigao strait.
This was not true. Exhaustive postwar study by the Naval War College established that Oldendorf's battleships expended 282 14 and 16 inch shells in the battle. After the battle these ships still had about 300 16 inch and not quite 1,100 14 inch armor peircing rounds.
Also an approximate 1,800 rounds of HE shells.
A point Kincaid did not make was that the old battleships were at the opposite end of Leyte gulf, about five hours steaming away from Kurita's Center Force.
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https://twitter.com/TheDreadShips/status/1777775908704624899
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https://www.navalorder.org/noushistoryhappenings
Not sure if this will interest. There will be a Zoom presentation on very early towed array sonars (1972) as used in the Mediterranean.
Information is available at the above website.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ngU9AuvOSbo&si=HM3Ml3MvPwDWxFGJ&
Salerno operation begins at about 12:00. The Fritz X did incredible penetration and damage to Savannah.