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Title: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 26, 2018, 01:41:43 PM
So it's getting ready to ship.  Theoretically I have one reserved, but at 160 Euros I'm seriously thinking about backing out...


Or...  should I buy it, hold it for 6 weeks, 'til frenzy maxes out, and sell it for $500 or so and double my money?




I had no idea it was going to be 160 Euros - about $180  :doh:


I was prepared to figure out how to pay $100 or so, but many, $180 is going to kick my ass, especially with my current health insurance costs...
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on September 26, 2018, 01:44:06 PM
I had the SPI  monster game 'Next War' - is this re-done version of that?
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Barthheart on September 26, 2018, 01:47:19 PM
I'd buy it from you if I hadn't just sunk $200 into DVG's Warfighter PMC KS....  :idiot2:
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: mirth on September 26, 2018, 01:49:14 PM
This one is too much $$ for even me.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on September 26, 2018, 01:50:43 PM
Just looking at it on BGG. Its a big 'un!  and it looks very nice, but: Brant - would you actually play it?

ps - If the system is based on the old NW game, then I remember that the air / AAA rules were very detailed - a sub-game in its own right, and took a lot of time to play, and we usually played it with 2 players on each side. Brings back some good gaming memories though.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Barthheart on September 26, 2018, 01:56:05 PM

 but: Brant - would you actually play it?
...

What kind of a question is THAT?!?  ::)
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: mirth on September 26, 2018, 01:58:04 PM
Playing has nothing to do with it.  :buck2:
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on September 26, 2018, 01:58:40 PM
A genuine one, naturally - out of curiosity...............
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 26, 2018, 02:18:49 PM
Just looking at it on BGG. Its a big 'un!  and it looks very nice, but: Brant - would you actually play it?


Well, that's the $200 question now isn't it?


I would like to think that I would, mainly because it's my target subject matter and and right up my alley for the area and scale that I enjoy playing.


But it is both expensive and gigantic. And while you can see where every dime of the purchase price is going in the components, it's still money that's not in your pocket
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 26, 2018, 02:19:05 PM
Maybe I just need to run a GoFundMe page to get my copy
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on September 26, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
...............there are also the space and time aspects.........or at least, the availability thereof.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 26, 2018, 04:42:18 PM
...............there are also the space and time aspects.........or at least, the availability thereof.


I've got space.  I have my own room over the garage with a 4-seater dining room table in it, and I have 2 other tables I could set up if I needed them.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on September 26, 2018, 04:46:52 PM
So no problem space-wise then  :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on September 28, 2018, 07:17:55 AM
Brant - do you have / played the Central Front games from SPI/S&T?

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamefamily/4255/central-front-series
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Barthheart on September 28, 2018, 07:46:04 AM
I've got BAOR from that series, magazine version. Fun game. Ugly map.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 28, 2018, 07:50:15 AM
Brant - do you have / played the Central Front games from SPI/S&T?

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamefamily/4255/central-front-series (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamefamily/4255/central-front-series)


every one of them, multiple times.


they're very good, but a little dated at this point.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on September 28, 2018, 08:34:49 AM
I did have all of them. I always thought that  the 'friction point' system was actually a very good method of recording accumulated loss of cohesion / combat effectiveness. I'm surprised that other games haven't (as far as I know) taken that approach.

Yep, the maps were pretty gross.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 28, 2018, 09:27:30 AM
A graphic update would really do that system well.  Ty Bomba is remaking it, but my fear (based on his comments) is that it will be essentially a completely different game.

One of the things I really liked about it was that it (mostly) accurately reflected the border cav units.  Just because the rest of the game was BN/RGT-level doesn't mean the cav had to be.  Instead of a couple of Squadron-of-Death counters for the 11th ACR, they were split out into troop-level units ("companies" to the rest of the world) and able to be properly dispersed per the deployment plans.  Now, they weren't going to kill an entire Soviet MRR, but that was never their mission.  A properly-spaced covering mission of 2 squadrons, with the tank companies / how bty's to reinforce where needed, can easily hold up that MRR for several turns, and completely de-synch the Soviet plan.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on September 28, 2018, 09:29:59 AM
I just looked at it and certainly its prettier, but as you say, in a way its pointless if they don't base it around the CF system. Despite the gfx, it was the system that I found to be interesting.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on October 02, 2018, 09:22:35 AM
I'm emailing them today to tell them I can't get it :(

There's just too much other stuff going on in my life to drop $200 on a game, no matter how awesome I think it's going to be.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on October 02, 2018, 10:32:15 AM
 :'(
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Boyerwulf on October 02, 2018, 11:23:32 AM
Same thing here. While I would love to add this to my collection, I just cant justify the price. That combined with it's size and complexity, and I know this would most likely never hit the table. Had to make the same decision with the World in Flames Collectors Edition (really want those mounted map boards), and that latest Korean War game from Compass games (Map is just too big).

Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on October 02, 2018, 11:27:48 AM
https://www.compassgames.com/military-simulations/korea-fire-and-ice.html

I have my eye on this one as well. I think I have posted before that it uses the same system as the old GDW game, 'Road to the  Rhine' which was an excellent game.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Boyerwulf on October 02, 2018, 11:39:23 AM
https://www.compassgames.com/military-simulations/korea-fire-and-ice.html

I have my eye on this one as well. I think I have posted before that it uses the same system as the old GDW game, 'Road to the  Rhine' which was an excellent game.

 Ya, it looks pretty intriguing.  But like I said, the map is just too damn big to fit on my gaming table.  You need an 8.5 foot table to fit it.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on October 02, 2018, 11:59:01 AM
See, I have the space to set up some of these monsters, in a room where they won't get molested.

What I don't have are the funds to acquire said monsters...
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on October 02, 2018, 01:29:19 PM
I have to admit, I have several games which I brought knowing that I do not the have space to set them up and leave them for any length of time. Sometimes, the lure of specific games overrides all common sense.

My excuse has always been that the games in question do have one or more smaller one map scenarios, and thus I am able to justify the acquisition to myself.

The last such game was 'Rommel's War' by L2 Design Group; I lusted after this game for a long time until I was at last able to get my hands on a new copy. The 2 maps are actually bigger than 'standard' size maps and, once laid out, North Africa being the shape that it is, results in a map that is 6 foot long!
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: BanzaiCat on October 03, 2018, 08:07:23 AM
My Albatross monster games were TSR's Barbarossa and SS Amerika (can't recall the publisher on that but no way I'm searching for that term on my company's network). I sold my copy of Barbarossa before I moved but still have that other game somewhere.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bbmike on October 03, 2018, 08:11:37 AM
I don't have the space to set monster games up either. Yet. I will get a proper game table at some point.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Barthheart on October 03, 2018, 08:19:28 AM
I don't have the space to set monster games up either. Yet. I will get a proper game table at some point.

Build one.  :D
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bbmike on October 03, 2018, 08:44:17 AM
I have a table at the river house that I might build a cover for. It's large enough (I think), I just need a way to keep the cats off of it. And no, I can't get rid of the cats.
I am going to buy a game table at some point. I'm kind of bummed that I'm going to miss Carolina Game Tables open house (https://www.carolinagametables.com/2018/09/26/fall-open-house-discount-tables/) this Saturday.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Barthheart on October 03, 2018, 09:03:57 AM
 :o Those are ridiculously expensive tables!
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on October 03, 2018, 09:34:09 AM
Come to Origins next year and buy one of their display tables
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bbmike on October 03, 2018, 10:05:46 AM
Considering what I paid for a dining room table I don't think the price is too bad. And you should see them in person, the tables are beautiful.  :peace:
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on October 03, 2018, 10:56:07 PM
Confirmed that they've let mine go :(
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on October 04, 2018, 05:16:35 AM
A pity, but there you go. Maybe you can pick up a good used copy in the future.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Barthheart on October 05, 2018, 03:16:44 PM
52 left according to their website....
$275 CDN shipped....
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Must be strong.... don't want to live in my car.....  :whistle:

Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on October 05, 2018, 04:13:52 PM
You'll be living in the doghouse if yer missus finds out  :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Barthheart on October 05, 2018, 07:31:49 PM
Quite true... but she's out of town right now....  :whistle:
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: tuna on October 05, 2018, 08:37:37 PM
Boy, I'd better never get into this boardgaming world, too hard to hide!
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on October 13, 2018, 09:13:24 AM
^Says the man with a warehouse full of un-built model kits  :whistle:
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Yskonyn on October 18, 2018, 09:42:50 AM
The thing that made me click the buy button was the fact that TRL Games provided an official VASSAL module for 1985.

I am going to start playing soon, but it'll be over VASSAL rather than face to face. Not because we can't meet, but because of the above mentioned space constraints. I cannot leave the game on the table in my home, nor is my opponent able to.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Barthheart on October 18, 2018, 09:48:28 AM
Post some pics from yer game since your using VASSAL!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: mirth on October 18, 2018, 09:56:36 AM
Post some pics from yer game since your using VASSAL!  :biggrin:
+1  :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on January 10, 2019, 11:14:15 AM
The thing that made me click the buy button was the fact that TRL Games provided an official VASSAL module for 1985.

I am going to start playing soon, but it'll be over VASSAL rather than face to face. Not because we can't meet, but because of the above mentioned space constraints. I cannot leave the game on the table in my home, nor is my opponent able to.


re-upping the request for VASSAL pics! :)
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: tuna on January 10, 2019, 01:34:47 PM
^Says the man with a warehouse full of un-built model kits  :whistle:

Is there someplace I can trade those kits for a game collection?
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on January 14, 2019, 08:49:03 AM
ebay :-)
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: mirth on January 14, 2019, 09:03:00 AM
Rumor has it the next game in this series will be called, "Upon an Empty Wallet"
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: Yskonyn on January 25, 2019, 08:34:57 AM
The old man is learning the rules still.
It'll be a while before we start I reckon.
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bayonetbrant on April 14, 2020, 12:30:39 PM
https://trlgames.com/2020/04/13/1985-under-an-iron-sky-third-echelon/
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on April 14, 2020, 12:33:14 PM
Oh dear............
Title: Re: Under an Iron Sky
Post by: bob48 on September 03, 2020, 04:45:23 PM
Just been watching Ardwulfs unboxing video - that's one heck of a lot of game. The maps are really nice.