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Reply #15 on: August 24, 2019, 05:07:04 PM
Quote from: ojsdad on August 24, 2019, 04:59:52 PM
I'll probably join.  Not sure I'm up to playing though.  Been up since about 3am.  Haven't seen the wife and kids since I got home either.

Always glad to have you by :).


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Reply #16 on: August 24, 2019, 05:20:24 PM
Won't be able to join but, as always, I've started drinking bourbon. :bigthumb:

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Reply #17 on: August 24, 2019, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: ojsdad on August 24, 2019, 04:59:52 PM
Haven't seen the wife and kids since I got home either.


Was that intentional?  :hehe:

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Reply #18 on: August 24, 2019, 05:25:24 PM
Quote from: bbmike on August 24, 2019, 05:20:24 PM
Won't be able to join but, as always, I've started drinking bourbon. :bigthumb:

We each do what we can.

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Reply #19 on: August 24, 2019, 05:25:53 PM
No, Jake was at a farm auction with friend and patty and O had to take something up for the county fair that starts this week and do some shopping. Olivia was doing stats for volleyball game today. So they didnt get going very early.

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Reply #20 on: August 24, 2019, 08:03:41 PM
Why I'm not watching SNF tonight

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Reply #21 on: August 25, 2019, 12:18:21 AM
So, a bit of a bumpy ending to the second go-through at Teugn-Hausen, but, on the good side, nobody died.

Also, I think the discussion was a good one and will result, I hope, in a better game next time we play BP(1-2).

There is a NEW PLAN FOR NEXT WEEK...check it out.


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Reply #22 on: August 25, 2019, 04:55:34 PM
I'm going to walk back some of what I said about tactical, operational and strategic games last night.

Tactical - Yes, there are some historical scenarios where either side could win.  But there are just as many (or more) where one side neve really had a chance.  Designers shouldn't try to nerf one side so they can try and get a different outcome than what really happened.  What they should do, it challenge the player of the losing side to do better than what was historically done and show plausible effects if those goals are met.  To me, it seems like laziness on the part of designers to understand the effects of changing the outcome of a battle could of had on the larger picture.

Operational/Strategic - I did say that it's probably more realistic for designers to setup possibilities that the historical losing side could win.  I stand by that, but designers cannot get too wild with it either.  As an example, Poland in 1939 had absolutely no chance to stop either Germany or Russia, or both at the same time, as what really happened. 

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Reply #23 on: August 25, 2019, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: ojsdad on August 25, 2019, 04:55:34 PM
Operational/Strategic - I did say that it's probably more realistic for designers to setup possibilities that the historical losing side could win.  I stand by that, but designers cannot get too wild with it either.  As an example, Poland in 1939 had absolutely no chance to stop either Germany or Russia, or both at the same time, as what really happened.

Summer Lightning by LnLP is a good example of an operational game that gets this right, for exactly the scenario you're talking about.

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Reply #24 on: August 25, 2019, 07:50:40 PM

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