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Title: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on March 13, 2020, 09:59:41 AM
Here is a game I spent fat too many hours playing on the 'ol C-64

looks kinda dated now though......................

Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: judgedredd on March 13, 2020, 10:42:41 AM
oh god...8 bit sound!!!
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on March 13, 2020, 10:51:39 AM
You think that's bad..............



This is another one with mega hours played  :o
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bbmike on March 13, 2020, 03:26:07 PM
One I spent mega hours on is Project Space Station.

(https://alchetron.com/cdn/project-space-station-26d2dea4-cde0-4c6f-a145-b560aca1a9d-resize-750.jpeg)
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on March 13, 2020, 04:07:48 PM
 :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: BanzaiCat on March 13, 2020, 11:00:17 PM
I never had a C-64 (had a VIC-20, and later a Commodore PC), but I played this a lot about that time on my grandfather's Apple IIc. I LOVED this game. The remake they did later was crap.

Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on March 14, 2020, 07:08:34 AM
No C-64?

Disqualified! Out with you, for shame........ ;D
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Undercovergeek on March 14, 2020, 12:47:35 PM
My early adolescent years were lost to Bruce Lee, Scuba Diver, Paradroid, and Way of the Exploding Fist
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on March 14, 2020, 01:10:29 PM
The actual game play of Paradroid was amazing;

This is another one that Den and I played for many hours:

Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Staggerwing on March 14, 2020, 01:36:48 PM
Here is a game I spent fat too many hours playing on the 'ol C-64

looks kinda dated now though......................



Interesting. I had not heard of that one. Looks like the programmers used a procedural terrain generator like the one in Rescue on Fractalus. Makes sense, since they're both from Lucasfilm Games.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on March 14, 2020, 02:52:23 PM
Yep, I think it was done by the same people that did Fractalus (which we also played a lot) and that came out before Koronis Rift - as the name implies, fractal were all the rage!

Hands up all those who sat watching Mandelbrot generators..............
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Staggerwing on March 14, 2020, 03:10:11 PM
 :bigthumb:

I also remember some terrain-generating demo (for Vista Pro, maybe?) that I had for the Amiga that let you render a scene of a landscape after setting some height variables, water size for lakes, tree type and density, and possibly even snow level on the peaks (hard to remember for sure after 25 yers...). You could watch the scene gradually build up from the lowest point to the top of the final peak.

Of course, the render times were very slow. I'd set the parameters around lunch and, maybe by dinner, I'd have a nice little digital Bob Ross scene.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on March 14, 2020, 03:12:39 PM
 :hehe: Yep, sounds about right
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Twitter3 on March 15, 2020, 06:27:35 PM
I played this one a ton back in the day!

Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Undercovergeek on March 15, 2020, 09:36:30 PM
 :o :o :o :o

Man I loved that game especially the last artillery section
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on March 16, 2020, 07:44:01 AM
I played this one a ton back in the day!



Heck, yes - I had forgotten about that one  :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: BanzaiCat on March 16, 2020, 11:54:47 AM
Oh wow...I played that on the Apple IIc also (yes, blasphemy, but it's pretty much the same game lol). Thanks for that, that's awesome to see again.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Twitter3 on March 16, 2020, 01:09:09 PM
Once I started going back through the games I played for the C64, I realized how many good old fashion memories and games there were!  Anybody remember One on One with Larry Bird and Dr. J?
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Capn Darwin on March 16, 2020, 09:40:33 PM
Yes, One on One and MULE were big at the dorm at UC in the early 80s when I was there.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 08, 2020, 08:42:40 AM
Wow, every game in this thread so far is a classic!  I'll toss one in: Lords of Midnight by the legendary Mike Singleton!  I played the shit out of this game, even drawing up huge maps and using little matchstick flags to represent my armies (there was no way to do this in game).

Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Staggerwing on April 08, 2020, 08:46:58 AM
Wasn't that purple blue and orange guy in the lower middle of the video's thumbnail your avatar pic a while back?
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 08, 2020, 08:53:25 AM
Oh heck - I played that game an awful lot - I remember the hidden movement, when the enemy army would suddenly appear out of nowhere :-)
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 08, 2020, 09:32:29 AM
Wasn't that purple blue and orange guy in the lower middle of the video's thumbnail your avatar pic a while back?

Close!  It was Luxor the Moonprince, from the same game.  Good memory!  :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: BanzaiCat on April 08, 2020, 11:02:41 AM
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 08, 2020, 11:09:40 AM
Defender of the Crown was amazing.  I can still remember how to cheese through some of the bits:

For swordplay (so, raids etc): hold up constantly to parry, and occasionally press fire straight after your opponent attacks.  You'll win every fight taking no damage.
For jousting: Move your lance left so that it will be in line with the enemy shield at the point of contact, then just before contact, bring it down slightly and press fire.  It's tricky until you learn it properly, but when you do, you'll unhorse every opponent.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: BanzaiCat on April 08, 2020, 11:53:44 AM
I played this on the PC a few times in the back room at Babbage's when I worked there. It frustrated the pi$$ out of me because I could never win any of the jousts.

This and Rocket Ranger were, I imagine, all about patterns. Once you learned them, you could get through them laughably easily.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Undercovergeek on April 08, 2020, 12:07:28 PM
I beat lords of midnight once - iirc there were two ways to do it - a cheesy way and a global domination way, I don’t remember the cheesy way but that’s the path i took
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 08, 2020, 12:17:34 PM
I played this on the PC a few times in the back room at Babbage's when I worked there. It frustrated the pi$$ out of me because I could never win any of the jousts.

This and Rocket Ranger were, I imagine, all about patterns. Once you learned them, you could get through them laughably easily.

That's right, sadly both were pretty grindy even if you could beat all the events easily.  The UI for Rocket Ranger (the strategy bit) in particular was a nightmare, but was the best it could be at the time I suppose.

I beat lords of midnight once - iirc there were two ways to do it - a cheesy way and a global domination way, I don’t remember the cheesy way but that’s the path i took

Yeah if you could get Morkin into the Tower he could smash Doomdark's crown, if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 08, 2020, 01:42:52 PM
Defender of the Crown! Now I can hear that cheesy electric theme music again  ;D
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Steelie on April 08, 2020, 03:55:58 PM
Oh yeah, I played the hell out of DotC. Winning the hand of the Princess and the fireplace scene afterwards was hot stuff for the old C-64   ;D 
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 08, 2020, 04:33:06 PM
Anyone remember 'Dropzone'?
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 08, 2020, 04:35:18 PM
Anyone remember 'Dropzone'?

I certainly do.  Fairly similar to Scramble, except you were a guy with a jetpack, yes?  I'm pretty sure we had that on cartridge!
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 08, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
Yep - that's the one, and it was on a cart - also 'Moon Lander' which was a cart that came with our C-64

Mrs B and I used to hot seat it.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Steelie on April 08, 2020, 06:09:32 PM
Bawb, you dog, you!!! Oh wait.....you were talking about gaming with your missus. My bad.

Moon Lander. More like Moon Crasher when I played it.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bbmike on April 08, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
Not Moon Lander! On the C64 it was JUPITER Lander!  ;D

(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/d/d3/Jupiter_Lander_Animation_Demo.GIF)
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 08, 2020, 06:13:41 PM
My bad, it was actually Luna Lander.

Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 08, 2020, 06:14:17 PM
Bawb, you dog, you!!! Oh wait.....you were talking about gaming with your missus. My bad.

Moon Lander. More like Moon Crasher when I played it.

...har har  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bbmike on April 08, 2020, 06:22:41 PM
I never knew there was a Luna Lander. I had the Jupiter Lander ROM cartridge.

(https://i0.wp.com/www.oldschoolgamermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Jupiter-Lander.png?resize=217%2C300&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 08, 2020, 06:24:34 PM
That version was very sophisticated - it had coloured terrain  :2funny:
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bbmike on April 08, 2020, 06:36:51 PM
Imagine, 4 different colors!  ;D
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: BanzaiCat on April 08, 2020, 07:09:33 PM
I'm with Steelie on that one...I played the stand-up arcade version a few times but I think I created more divots in the surface of the Moon than actual game points.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bbmike on April 08, 2020, 07:16:43 PM
I played the heck out of the arcade version.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 09, 2020, 06:43:13 AM
I'm with Steelie on that one...I played the stand-up arcade version a few times but I think I created more divots in the surface of the Moon than actual game points.

I think that technically, they're called 'Craters'  ;D
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 09, 2020, 08:50:20 AM
I bet y'all remember Impossible Mission!  I bet you can hear Alvin Atombender's voice clear as day: "Another visitor!  Stay a while!  Stay forevaaaahhhhh"

Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 09, 2020, 08:52:19 AM
Not a game I ever played.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Staggerwing on April 09, 2020, 09:22:41 AM
I did play Impossible Mission on my original C-64 and wonky 1541 floppy drive. The protagonist's footstep sounds used to annoy my ex-wife.

Sadly, back around 2005 my ex-wife gave away my stored C-64, Amiga, TRS80 Coco, 486 PC, and all related accessories and software before I could retrieve them, leading me to embark on my current retro computer collection obsession, replacing them and then some! I've even managed to find that original 486, a Leading Edge brand, along with matching monitor, keyboard, and mouse. I probably need an intervention...  ::)
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Sir Slash on April 09, 2020, 10:33:22 AM
The original, 'Might & Magic' and.... the entire Gold Box Series, all on my faithful friend, the Amiga.  :dreamer:
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: BanzaiCat on April 09, 2020, 10:41:22 AM
Oh yeah...M&M 1. Sigh. That pad of paper with dots so you could draw each area out... :rockon:
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: BanzaiCat on April 09, 2020, 04:06:32 PM
Not a C-64 game, but I played this a LOT on my Commodore PC.

In glorious black & white VGA.  ::)

Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Undercovergeek on April 09, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
My 64 came with Jupiter lander and radar rat race - I became so obsessed with RRR I used to get up early before school to play it - then they took my c64 off me for 2 weeks
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 10, 2020, 04:28:42 AM
I had to check you weren't talking about Roland's Rat Race (https://www.mobygames.com/game/c64/rolands-ratrace) - always will be special to me because it was the first game I ever completed.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Sir Slash on April 10, 2020, 12:03:31 PM
Funny, I picked up the Gold Box series on GOG a couple of years back and they were still fun but the UI was so cumbersome I just couldn't play it. The game hasn't changed so..... I must have.  :'(
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Undercovergeek on April 10, 2020, 12:59:42 PM
Sadly not huw - it was a rat version of Pac-Man but you had time challenges and such, all along to a psychedelic version of 3 blind mice - when you’re humming it in class it’s time to put the joystick down!!
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 10, 2020, 01:45:50 PM
Here is another much played game;

Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 10, 2020, 03:32:11 PM
Ha!  I remember seeing Ant Attack somewhere as a very young nipper and thinking "woah, games can look like that?!"  I think it must have been the pseudo-3D perspective that blew me away!
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Pelenise on April 11, 2020, 07:04:52 AM
I played a few games too on C64, Summer games Trashman  attack of the mutant camels,  but Bawb has put down some more, we used to fight over who was going first, then hot seat, good old days, wouldn't like to hot seat now thank you very much
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 11, 2020, 07:45:39 AM
Summer Games was brilliant, as were all those Epyx Games sims.  I was very impressed at the time at how they had all the countries' national anthems in the game. :)
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Twitter3 on April 11, 2020, 07:53:28 AM
Summer games was very fun to play. I remember playing a flight simulator game where you did a mail run (in Alaska maybe???).
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 11, 2020, 08:46:58 AM
I remember playing a flight simulator game where you did a mail run (in Alaska maybe???).

Solo Flight? (https://www.mobygames.com/game/c64/solo-flight)  Awesome game!
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 11, 2020, 09:35:23 AM
I remember a game where you did white water canoeing, but that may have been an event in one of the 'Summer Games' games?
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 11, 2020, 10:27:57 AM
I remember a game where you did white water canoeing, but that may have been an event in one of the 'Summer Games' games?

Summer Games 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub_c-59pHtA) had a kayaking event; could that be what you're thinking of?  (Skip to 17m in the video)
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 11, 2020, 10:35:59 AM
Yup, Huw - that's the one  :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Twitter3 on April 11, 2020, 01:19:18 PM
I remember playing a flight simulator game where you did a mail run (in Alaska maybe???).

Solo Flight? (https://www.mobygames.com/game/c64/solo-flight)  Awesome game!

That is it! Man I really enjoyed that game. Being 11 at the time I had to work on my landings, but taking off was fun.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Undercovergeek on April 11, 2020, 02:33:43 PM
I got ghostbusters for Christmas in 84(?) and after the install completed it would shout ‘GHOSTBUSTERS’ - no speech in the game just at the install - I thought it was the most amazing thing ever
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bbmike on April 11, 2020, 02:34:27 PM
I need to find my C64, drive, and floppy discs and see what I actually have.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Undercovergeek on April 11, 2020, 02:36:20 PM
It amazes me still today that if you had a corrupted install and it errored out you just had to hit rewind for a few seconds and let it reload the data
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Staggerwing on April 11, 2020, 02:41:46 PM
I need to find my C64, drive, and floppy discs and see what I actually have.

Do it! Send a pic of the setup!
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 11, 2020, 02:43:56 PM
Ghostbusters! Yes, forgot about that one.

We did eventually get a 1541 drive as well - all your games on a few 5.1/4 floppies, :-)
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Sir Slash on April 11, 2020, 11:17:48 PM
Kampgruppe and.... Battles of Napoleon.  :dreamer:
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Barthheart on April 12, 2020, 07:12:56 AM
Kampfgruppe, man I played a lot of that on the C64....  :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bbmike on April 12, 2020, 08:38:50 AM
I need to find my C64, drive, and floppy discs and see what I actually have.

Do it! Send a pic of the setup!

I might, but I'll have to figure how how I'm going to hook up the video to my modern day monitor.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Staggerwing on April 12, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
Do you have a TV around with Coax, composite, or s-video in? If so all you would need is a cable that takes the C-64's AV DIN connector feed and breaks it up into composite (yellow RCA plug) or chroma/luma (for S-video, preferred) and audio. Failing that, you can hook it up through the RF connector (the channel 3/4 thingie) with a small RCA-to-coax adapter using any RCA-style cable. It will be blurry but might well be what you actually used back in the day and might be the cheapest option.

You can, of course, buy an HDMI up converter ($20-$350 depending on your level of retro-crazy) and use the same DIN-to Composite/S-video cable ($10) I mentioned in the beginning if you only have HDMI as an option. all this stuff is available on Amazon.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 12, 2020, 09:38:40 AM
Or download a C-64 emulator and some games  ;)
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bbmike on April 12, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
Or download a C-64 emulator and some games  ;)

As an engineer, I find that option not an option.  8)
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bbmike on April 12, 2020, 09:57:35 AM
Do you have a TV around with Coax, composite, or s-video in? If so all you would need is a cable that takes the C-64's AV DIN connector feed and breaks it up into composite (yellow RCA plug) or chroma/luma (for S-video, preferred) and audio. Failing that, you can hook it up through the RF connector (the channel 3/4 thingie) with a small RCA-to-coax adapter using any RCA-style cable. It will be blurry but might well be what you actually used back in the day and might be the cheapest option.

You can, of course, buy an HDMI up converter ($20-$350 depending on your level of retro-crazy) and use the same DIN-to Composite/S-video cable ($10) I mentioned in the beginning if you only have HDMI as an option. all this stuff is available on Amazon.

I may have a TV that it would work on.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Staggerwing on April 12, 2020, 10:16:48 AM
A larger hardware store *might* have the RCA to Coax adapter.  Not the best option picture-quality wise but a quick-n-dirty option never the less. As you are an engineer, just think of it as prototyping...  ;)


https://www.amazon.com/VCE-2-Pack-Coaxial-Adapter-Connector/dp/B01N80QQ1F/ref=sr_1_4?crid=58M9ZAJTWD9X&dchild=1&keywords=rca+to+coaxial+adapter&qid=1586700958&sprefix=RCA+to+coax%2Caps%2C158&sr=8-4
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: BanzaiCat on April 12, 2020, 10:42:52 AM
If I had spare capital I'd be tempted to buy a retro computer. Which one to get would be the next real challenge. An Apple IIgs is up there but that IIc for the nostalgia is high for me.

A friend of mine in Houston collects consoles and stand-ups. He has just about every video game system ever made. I'd thought too about getting a Genesis or NES at some point (not the mini versions but the real ones).

I don't even mess with emulators...it's just not the same thing.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Staggerwing on April 12, 2020, 01:02:08 PM
The Commodore 64, Atari 800XL, and Apple IIc (because of it's built-in drive) are probably good choices for retro hardware from the 8-bit era.

If you want to have the full retro computing experience then you'll be messing around with tape and disk drives and probably will also need to be ready for doing some repairs because even untested computers are still selling on eBay for up to a couple hundred dollars, even without all the peripherals. Tested ones even more. You can also try Craigslist or some of the retro computing websites such as www.Amibay.com or https://www.lemon64.com. Then you'll also need game disks and tapes. However if you are lucky enough to score a working  retro computer there are new solid state devices that emulate disk drives and can be attached the same way the old drives were. Those devices use a USB or flash drive to hold the games, who's images you can download from many places and transfer onto the flash drive using a modern computer.

If you don't want to mess around with old hardware the new 'C64', while using a custom emulator under the hood, has much the same feel as the original Commodore computer with a nice clicky keyboard and a decent selection of games installed. You can add other game images using USB and the C64 even has the original Commodore Basic as a boot option so you can type in your own programs and save them to the USB 'disk'. It can't use any of the original Commodore 64's peripherals however and can only output HDMI so you would need a downscaling converter to play it on a CRT TV to get the full retro effect.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Undercovergeek on April 12, 2020, 03:53:06 PM
I get the starry eyed rose tinted spectacles approach to emulation and knocking old kit together but I can’t imagine sitting in front of jet set willy or pyjamarama for more than 10 minutes and saying - what was I thinking - there was nothing better at the time and that’s why it was great - now there is
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: bob48 on April 12, 2020, 03:57:59 PM
I suspect you're right, and there is a big chunk on nostalgia (or maybe, neuralgia) involved. Having said that, despite the somewhat crap, by today's standards, graphics, the actual gameplay on many of those game was pretty good.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Staggerwing on April 12, 2020, 04:00:49 PM
I get the starry eyed rose tinted spectacles approach to emulation and knocking old kit together but I can’t imagine sitting in front of jet set willy or pyjamarama for more than 10 minutes and saying - what was I thinking - there was nothing better at the time and that’s why it was great - now there is

Yeah, most of the fun is in the finding and fixing. A little gameplay is just icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Ye olde C-64 games.
Post by: Undercovergeek on April 12, 2020, 04:07:44 PM
Those days make me smile when you could actually be in control of your gaming library because there was literally a handful been released every month - you’d read the monthly magazine 10 times deciding which one to get and then order it from some warehouse

I remember begging dad for his credit card for the hobbit, castle Dracula, hunchback of notre dam and then before I knew it the world went crazy and then steam happened

It is the old fashioned OCD in me that buys one spectacular game every few months and not a heap of games I’ll never play every few weeks