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Wargaming => Age of Gunpowder => Topic started by: JohnPJones1775 on April 28, 2019, 05:00:39 PM
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I'm trying to find games/rulesets in that time frame, that feature naval warfare.
i've got a back story for a game/campaign i want to do, but finding actual rule sets that aren't age of sail or WWI-modern seems difficult, and finding good models beyond the merrimack and the monitor seems even more difficult. so far i've found a decent range on shapeway.
the campaign will also include land combat, but it seems that ACW models aren't hard to find for land forces so thats not much of a problem.
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Cyrano will have a myriad number of answers for you on this one, but one big question will be whether you're looking for ship-to-ship battles, or fleet actions?
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Cyrano will have a myriad number of answers for you on this one, but one big question will be whether you're looking for ship-to-ship battles, or fleet actions?
i'd like a rule set that easily facilitates skirmish games, as well as full squadron/fleet actions.
any where from 1 ship/boat to a dozen or more per side.
i'd like the ships to be about the size of WH40k tanks, but it seems the best mini line i can find is a 1/600 scale and i'm not sure how big those will be.
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i'd like the ships to be about the size of WH40k tanks, but it seems the best mini line i can find is a 1/600 scale and i'm not sure how big those will be.
Well, the SMS Erzherzog Ferdinand Max, Austria's largest ship during the Battle of Lissa in 1866, was about 83 meters long, so a 1/600 version would be just under 14cm, or about 5-1/2 inches.
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My goodness, there's a lot there. Let's do this:
1: Particular nation(s) that you want to have in?
2: Do I hear a predilection for ACW ergo ironclads?
3. As this is a tie-in to another game, how complicated to you want to get?
4. And perhaps I should have started here, I'm correct that you want minis rules, yes?
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My goodness, there's a lot there. Let's do this:
1: Particular nation(s) that you want to have in?
2: Do I hear a predilection for ACW ergo ironclads?
3. As this is a tie-in to another game, how complicated to you want to get?
4. And perhaps I should have started here, I'm correct that you want minis rules, yes?
1. US, spain, really any nation.
2. so far i'm leaning that way because thats about all i'm seeing models for in that time frame, but i would prefer mid 80s-90's spanish american war era basically
3. fairly simple.
4. yes rules for minis.
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i'd like the ships to be about the size of WH40k tanks, but it seems the best mini line i can find is a 1/600 scale and i'm not sure how big those will be.
Well, the SMS Erzherzog Ferdinand Max, Austria's largest ship during the Battle of Lissa in 1866, was about 83 meters long, so a 1/600 version would be just under 14cm, or about 5-1/2 inches.
looking for ships that can be used for pirates and naval militias as well so not so many big ships. some sure, but i'd like to keep the focus down to steam sloop/schooner, smaller protected cruisers and river gunboats, torpedo boats, torpedo boat destroyers, etc.
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You seem to want to stretch a good deal more broadly than the ACW -- entirely admirable, which limits my two favorites of that particular era a bit:
Hammerin Iron 2: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/63557/hammerin-iron-2
and
Beer and Pretzels Ironclads:https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/25536/beer-and-pretzels-ironclads-bapi
Between these, I'd probably take BAPI, but that may in part be due to having played in a game Col. Surdu ran at Historicon...YMMV...
Now, if you'll forgive what may seem heresy, I will therefore recommend:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/59096/Ironclads-And-Ether-Flyers
One must ignore the Sci-Fi for your purposes and so the lists will have to be tweaked a bit, but it's a really good set of rules for historical games of the type you imagine without taking itself too seriously and getting stuck in ephemera. Mr. Chadwick, it must always be remembers, is always a designer of wargames first. Besides, how can you go wrong for a $6 .pdf?
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You seem to want to stretch a good deal more broadly than the ACW -- entirely admirable, which limits my two favorites of that particular era a bit:
Hammerin Iron 2: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/63557/hammerin-iron-2
and
Beer and Pretzels Ironclads:https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/25536/beer-and-pretzels-ironclads-bapi
Between these, I'd probably take BAPI, but that may in part be due to having played in a game Col. Surdu ran at Historicon...YMMV...
Now, if you'll forgive what may seem heresy, I will therefore recommend:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/59096/Ironclads-And-Ether-Flyers
One must ignore the Sci-Fi for your purposes and so the lists will have to be tweaked a bit, but it's a really good set of rules for historical games of the type you imagine without taking itself too seriously and getting stuck in ephemera. Mr. Chadwick, it must always be remembers, is always a designer of wargames first. Besides, how can you go wrong for a $6 .pdf?
ya, i prefer the spanish-american war type ships, but the back story i came up with utilizes the ACW as the catalyst for how it got to that point so we can do ACW within the story, but i personally just like the ships of the following decades a bit more. (damn those doldrums)
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Old copies of Yaquinto's Ironclads board game are occasionally available online or places like Noble Knight Games.
My old group had a number of naval campaigns using these rules for combats. The rules may be online as a download.
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what about minis for ground forces? armies moved on from muzzle loaders real quick after the civil war, so i'd prefer not be stuck using only ACW minis. any good mini lines for wild/old west style and various militaries during the victorian era?
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what about minis for ground forces? armies moved on from muzzle loaders real quick after the civil war, so i'd prefer not be stuck using only ACW minis. any good mini lines for wild/old west style and various militaries during the victorian era?
you looking for manufacturers of minis, or publishers of rules sets?
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both.
as for minis, these look great, and i've got nothing against sprinkling some female models in, but it would be nice to have it mostly historically accurate to who'd have been fighting in the 19th century
https://hinterlandminiatures.weebly.com/store.html
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i found this, and like it for some of the ground units, but it seems fairly limited and not a lot of customization, but i'll probably go with these if nothing else.
https://www.1898miniaturas.com/en/
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for the land and brown water rules, this might sound lazy, but i'll probably just try to adapt WH40k rules using guard-i mean astra militarum...nope an old guard codex for weapons info and what not. i'll probably remove armor saves just because no one back then wore armor.
boats will be treated like vehicles, land will be inpassable terrain, shallows might count as crossing difficult terrain.
for the blue water or green water naval battles, i'm still looking for rules.
but i'll keep posting links for interesting model lines and what not for the time period i find here if anyone else gets interested
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http://www.tigerminiatures.co.uk/page25.htm
another possible gatling gun model
https://www.gamekastle.com/online/index.php?m=product&p=43025
https://www.thewarstore.com/perry-brothers-19th-century-miniature.html
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a decent sized range for guns on naval mounts
http://www.thevirtualarmchairgeneral.com/505-houstons%20guns%20&%20fittings.htm
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1:600 ships
http://www.thoroughbredmodels.com/Ironclads.htm
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6pdr deck mounted
https://pulpfigures.com/products/view/231
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Sorry, crazy day here but I'll get some figure links up tomorrow
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I missed asking this bit, too:
How big is your gaming space for these games?
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I missed asking this bit, too:
How big is your gaming space for these games?
i can play games either on a card table, or set up a big ol' piece of plywood on the card table or kitchen table.
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There's a small Con coming up near Lititz, Pennsylvania on Jun 14,15, and 16. Normally has a lot of naval games.
Cannot tell where you are located. If this is close to you, can give you contact.
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There's a small Con coming up near Lititz, Pennsylvania on Jun 14,15, and 16. Normally has a lot of naval games.
Cannot tell where you are located. If this is close to you, can give you contact.
thats probably about an 8 hour drive or more for me, plus i work weekends :/
google maps puts it at a 17hr hour drive lol
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Origins is probably a better deal.
Historicon is all miniatures in July.
https://www.hmgs.org/page/HconHome
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Origins is probably a better deal.
Historicon is all miniatures in July.
https://www.hmgs.org/page/HconHome (https://www.hmgs.org/page/HconHome)
Plus, this website runs a wargaming program at Origins 😁
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well found some one local who is interested in trying this out so once we get models and get a test game i'll try to take some pics and upload pictures maybe a rough battrep to go with it.
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Looking forward to it.
And, who knows, given the right models, ANYTHING miniatures can be done in Tabletop Simulator ;D.
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can pictures be upload directly from a phone, or do they have to be posted via a photobucket type of link?
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depending on your phone browser, you can sometimes attach them to a post, but you'll probably need to reduce the file size first
Otherwise, you'd need to share from a 3rd-party site
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depending on your phone browser, you can sometimes attach them to a post, but you'll probably need to reduce the file size first
Otherwise, you'd need to share from a 3rd-party site
who do i talk to about that? lol
i hate sharing from 3rd party sites. will facebook work, or does it need to be like a dedicated photo hosting site?
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(https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1142148868724&set=pb.1077519235.-2207520000.1557716609.&type=3&theater)
test post
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i hate sharing from 3rd party sites. will facebook work, or does it need to be like a dedicated photo hosting site?
Facebook will work w/ 2 caveats
1. when you get the image link from FB, you can't just open the image to view on Facebook and copy the URL, b/c that's the URL to the FB image "theater" view. You have to right-click/ctrl-click on the image and "copy image address" or "get image address" and use that URL
2. FB will regularly refactor their image links, which changes the URLs to those images. Officially, it's b/c they are needing to regularly add to the overall format of the URLs to keep up with all the photos people upload, but there's a lot of folks that think FB does it to intentionally 'break' all those shared images and force you to view them back on FB
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(https://scontent.flnk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/155120_1608056276118_7486635_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.flnk1-1.fna&oh=7ddf150adc25012f80d049b289244422&oe=5D63692D)
test post2
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I knew I liked you...
Remember Sanguinius!
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i hate sharing from 3rd party sites. will facebook work, or does it need to be like a dedicated photo hosting site?
Facebook will work w/ 2 caveats
1. when you get the image link from FB, you can't just open the image to view on Facebook and copy the URL, b/c that's the URL to the FB image "theater" view. You have to right-click/ctrl-click on the image and "copy image address" or "get image address" and use that URL
2. FB will regularly refactor their image links, which changes the URLs to those images. Officially, it's b/c they are needing to regularly add to the overall format of the URLs to keep up with all the photos people upload, but there's a lot of folks that think FB does it to intentionally 'break' all those shared images and force you to view them back on FB
thanks for the help.
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I knew I liked you...
Remember Sanguinius!
blood angels were my first command on the wargaming battlefield when i was like 8 or 9.
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i hate sharing from 3rd party sites. will facebook work, or does it need to be like a dedicated photo hosting site?
Facebook will work w/ 2 caveats
1. when you get the image link from FB, you can't just open the image to view on Facebook and copy the URL, b/c that's the URL to the FB image "theater" view. You have to right-click/ctrl-click on the image and "copy image address" or "get image address" and use that URL
2. FB will regularly refactor their image links, which changes the URLs to those images. Officially, it's b/c they are needing to regularly add to the overall format of the URLs to keep up with all the photos people upload, but there's a lot of folks that think FB does it to intentionally 'break' all those shared images and force you to view them back on FB
thanks for the help.
Imgur is good for image hosting as an alternative to FB and the URLs don't change
https://imgur.com/
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i have 2 games/scenarios to play out for my game idea.
it will first be the battle for marsh island
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Marsh+Island/@29.5578091,-92.0101171,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x862307935e8a97b5:0x303650bd2431765f!8m2!3d29.5675193!4d-91.851343
and then the battle for vermillion bay.
attackers are trying to set up a quick shore battery to support their vessels as they move into the bay, and then to eventually land troops.
the defenders got word of the enemy approaching marsh island and are scrambling to deploy ground units to stop the attackers.
any boats crippled/sunk in first scenario, cannot be used in the second.
winner of the first scenario gets to set up a shore battery for use in the second scenario.
battle of vermillion bay will be an amphibious landing. armed vessels will be escorting long boats with infantry ashore to attack the defender's town.
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i'm guessing this is a side hustle for the person behind it, but this site has pretty good customer service
http://www.thevirtualarmchairgeneral.com/505-houstons%20guns%20&%20fittings.htm
you make your order they ask for you to let them know if it doesn't show up in like 5-7 days.
you get your order and it comes with a nice little thank you note reiterating their email and a phone number for questions.
also, while not quite the sizes i want for my green/brown water games they do have some good ship/boat models for sale.
one is a rear paddle wheeler that would work for my time frame, but i'm not looking to manhandle a boat thats 13" long lol.
they also have what looks like early 20th century subchasers/patrol vessels and small cargo vessels that end up like 16-20"
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Customer service for those guys really is good.
Every emailed question I’ve sent them has gotten a reply within 12 hours, and have always been straight forward answers even if they likely didn’t think the answer would make me happy (ie no ship fittings or guns will be made in 28mm 25mm is all we’ll have)
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not mine, but more inspiration.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=112116.0
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this has gone by the wayside as project for me a bit, but i've come back to it, and rather than an alternate history game, just going to set it in my own universe that is very similar to the real world (i.e. no dragons, magic, or obscenely steampunkish tech)
the world anvil page i created to build the world and what i have so far.
map was created using the don jon fractal world generator.
https://www.worldanvil.com/w/orbis-johnpjones1775
still having problems finding ship and boat models in the size/scale i want.
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That worldanvil page is pretty neat :)
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That worldanvil page is pretty neat :)
thanks. since i'm having troubles finding models in sizes and eras i like i'm trying my hand at 3D printing for myself. as well now. finding weapons and the like has been easy so i'll just order those.
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https://www.tinkercad.com/things/1CLSl6fRq4Q-river-boat-attempt1
my first very rough attempt at a riverboat
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https://www.tinkercad.com/things/1CLSl6fRq4Q-river-boat-attempt1
my first very rough attempt at a riverboat
Getting "The link has expired" unfortunately.
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rough side paddle steam frigate.
https://www.tinkercad.com/things/7kcisD5ZZhq-steam-frigate-attempt1
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https://www.tinkercad.com/things/7kcisD5ZZhq-steam-frigate-attempt1 (https://www.tinkercad.com/things/7kcisD5ZZhq-steam-frigate-attempt1)
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it's official i have no idea what i'm doing lol
idk why it's saying the link is timed out or whateve.
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They were auto set to private -_-
Try now and let’s see how it works out
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looks way better than I would do on a first attempt :bigthumb:
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and a scout cruiser.
https://www.tinkercad.com/things/5Qmv37atVdC-scout-cruiser
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so the scale i'm going for with the ships is 1"/25mm=15ft
unfotunately i'm working with 25mm models for people which will leave that off, but what's even more off at this kind of scale is weapon ranges.
a 6" gun on that scale for ranges, would require nearly a whole room if not a whole room to play in if we transferred realistic effective ranges into that same scale for the era...
just a minor annoyance lol
also i'd like to do something larger than the scout cruiser, but with my current funds i think it will be hard/costly to print the scout cruiser let along something even larger.
the paddlewheel frigate is as large as i can realistically get printed right now.
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https://www.tinkercad.com/things/jyHBKMONU4g
a hybrid ironclad coastal defense battleship. circa 1870ish