Armchair Dragoons Forums

News:

  • Origins Game Fair 2024 – featuring the Wargame HQ with the Armchair Dragoons – will be held 19-23 June, 2024 ~~ More Info here
  • Buckeye Game Fest will be held May 2-5, 2024, with The War Room opening on 29 April ~~ More Info here

News

Origins Game Fair 2024 – featuring the Wargame HQ with the Armchair Dragoons – will be held 19-23 June, 2024 ~~ More Info here

Author Topic: In The Trenches  (Read 15357 times)

bob48

  • Smeghead.
  • Warrant Officer
  • Lead Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 11727
Reply #15 on: November 16, 2018, 05:21:23 PM
Yep, a great waste!

I've looked at the counter sheets on BGG and I definitely have the correct ones.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2018, 05:36:28 PM by bob48 »

“O Lord God, let me not be disgraced in my old days.”

'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers'


Amabel

  • Fresh Recruit
  • Posts: 8
  • she/her
Reply #16 on: November 17, 2018, 03:24:39 PM
The two core games and the first one or two expansions were all produced under Mary's tenure at Tiny Battle (though the expansions wouldn't actually be released until later). Everything after that - including the 1916 expansion - was produced after, and I'm not sure who was looking at it at that time.

Did the 1916 game have a lot of new material? I ask because the first two expansions drew heavily (maybe even completely?) from the original Grenier Games publications. While Mary and I needed to check them, we didn't need to do all that much with it or change anything. But if the 1916 game had new scenarios, of course there's more things to check, more room for error.



bob48

  • Smeghead.
  • Warrant Officer
  • Lead Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 11727
Reply #17 on: November 17, 2018, 03:54:52 PM
Hello, Tom.

I think that the 1916 expansion was maybe the third, or even fourth one to be released.

This is an extract from the TBP page;

Note:  The six scenarios of In the Trenches: 1916 were originally published in 2009 by Grenier Games, as part of their In the Trenches: The Lost Generation expansion.  We have taken these scenarios, tweaked and polished them, and treated them to brand new artwork by Jose Ramon Faura and a full-color eight-page scenario guide.

Now, this does not seem a very accurate statement, since, as noted previously, there are glaring issues with at least the first 2 scenarios, which, on the face of it, seem to indicate a distinct lack of play testing or checking of the product to insure it complies with what it said it does.

To put it another way, the product does not achieve customer satisfaction, nor is it fit for purpose in its present form due to the errors noted above.

I fully accept that the physical components may not be up to the same standards as more expensive products, but even so, there must exist some minimum standards of quality. In the case of my game, the die cutting is not good and a quality check conducted by a publisher who had some sort of minimum quality standards would most likely have rejected at least one counter sheet.

I am, to say the least, very disappointed in the product and, whilst I do like the system, its doubtful that I will do as I originally intended and purchase the remaining games in the series or any later additions.

“O Lord God, let me not be disgraced in my old days.”

'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers'


Amabel

  • Fresh Recruit
  • Posts: 8
  • she/her
Reply #18 on: November 17, 2018, 04:50:16 PM
Completely understandable.

I'd like to think that if we had been responsible for 1916, those problems wouldn't be there. But then of course we wouldn't have gotten Hollandspiele off the ground. So it worked out okay for us, even if it didn't for this series, unfortunately...



bob48

  • Smeghead.
  • Warrant Officer
  • Lead Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 11727
Reply #19 on: November 17, 2018, 05:21:37 PM
Yep, I agree with you. I have also sent an email to TBP, but if and when I get a reply remains to be seen.


Whatever, thanks for your reply, it is appreciated.

B-)
« Last Edit: November 17, 2018, 06:17:38 PM by bob48 »

“O Lord God, let me not be disgraced in my old days.”

'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers'


bayonetbrant

  • Arrogance Mitigator & Event "Organizer"
  • Administrator
  • Staff Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 15472
  • Going mad, but at least going somewhere
    • Six Degrees of Radio
Reply #20 on: November 17, 2018, 05:22:02 PM
hiya, Tom!

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=++

Random acts of genius and other inspirations of applied violence.
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
Six Degrees of Radio for songs you should know by artists you should love


bob48

  • Smeghead.
  • Warrant Officer
  • Lead Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 11727
Reply #21 on: November 17, 2018, 05:24:39 PM
Take no notice of Brant - he's just trying to ingratiate himself...............

“O Lord God, let me not be disgraced in my old days.”

'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers'


bayonetbrant

  • Arrogance Mitigator & Event "Organizer"
  • Administrator
  • Staff Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 15472
  • Going mad, but at least going somewhere
    • Six Degrees of Radio
Reply #22 on: November 17, 2018, 05:42:22 PM
Take no notice of Brant - he's just trying to ingratiate himself...............


Tom's met me; he knows I need all the help I can get :)

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=++

Random acts of genius and other inspirations of applied violence.
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
Six Degrees of Radio for songs you should know by artists you should love


bob48

  • Smeghead.
  • Warrant Officer
  • Lead Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 11727
Reply #23 on: November 18, 2018, 12:49:23 PM

“O Lord God, let me not be disgraced in my old days.”

'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers'


Amabel

  • Fresh Recruit
  • Posts: 8
  • she/her
Reply #24 on: November 18, 2018, 01:26:58 PM
No comment.  :-X



panzerde

  • Corporal
  • **
  • Posts: 1236
  • Kriegsherr
    • Cry Havoc
Reply #25 on: November 18, 2018, 02:38:48 PM
Just...wow. Wow.

I actually don't really like games.

Castellan -  La Fraternite des Boutons Carres


bob48

  • Smeghead.
  • Warrant Officer
  • Lead Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 11727
Reply #26 on: November 18, 2018, 02:45:58 PM
And the sad thing is, he probably actually believes what he says.

He also seems to have forgotten that he is a vendor and that I, and others like me, are paying customers. For some reason, he takes the attitude that he is doing us a favour by making games for us to spend our money on.

I will not waste any more time or money on either him or his companies.

“O Lord God, let me not be disgraced in my old days.”

'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers'


mirth

  • Cardboard Mohel
  • Lance Sergeant
  • ****
  • Posts: 7291
    • Armchair Dragoons
Reply #27 on: November 18, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
I will not waste any more time or money on either him or his companies.

Ditto. I was happy when he sold LnLP.

Being able to Google shit better than your clients is a legit career skill.