Armchair Dragoons Forums

News:

  • The ACDC returns in 2025!  17-19 January 2025 we'll gather online for a variety of games and chats all weekend long
  • The 2024 Armchair Dragoons Fall Assembly will be held 11-13 October 2024 at The Gamer's Armory in Cary, NC (outside of Raleigh)

News

The ACDC returns in 2025!  17-19 January 2025 we'll gather online for a variety of games and chats all weekend long

Author Topic: Ships!  (Read 524984 times)

bayonetbrant

  • Arrogance Mitigator & Event "Organizer"
  • Administrator
  • Staff Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 16172
  • Going mad, but at least going somewhere
    • Six Degrees of Radio
Reply #1560 on: April 09, 2024, 06:38:58 PM

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=++

Random acts of genius and other inspirations of applied violence.
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
Six Degrees of Radio for songs you should know by artists you should love


besilarius

  • Corporal
  • **
  • Posts: 1694
Reply #1561 on: April 09, 2024, 07:08:59 PM
https://www.navalorder.org/noushistoryhappenings

Not sure if this will interest.  There will be a Zoom presentation on very early towed array sonars (1972) as used in the Mediterranean.
Information is available at the above website.

"These things must be done delicately-- or you hurt the spell."  - The Wicked Witch of the West.
"We've got the torpedo damage temporarily shored up, the fires out and soon will have the ship back on an even keel. But I would suggest, sir, that if you have to take any more torpedoes, you take 'em on the starboard side."   Pops Healy, DCA USS Lexington.


besilarius

  • Corporal
  • **
  • Posts: 1694
Reply #1562 on: April 17, 2024, 06:25:51 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ngU9AuvOSbo&si=HM3Ml3MvPwDWxFGJ&

Salerno operation begins at about 12:00.  The Fritz X did incredible penetration and damage to Savannah.

"These things must be done delicately-- or you hurt the spell."  - The Wicked Witch of the West.
"We've got the torpedo damage temporarily shored up, the fires out and soon will have the ship back on an even keel. But I would suggest, sir, that if you have to take any more torpedoes, you take 'em on the starboard side."   Pops Healy, DCA USS Lexington.


bayonetbrant

  • Arrogance Mitigator & Event "Organizer"
  • Administrator
  • Staff Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 16172
  • Going mad, but at least going somewhere
    • Six Degrees of Radio
Reply #1563 on: May 23, 2024, 09:41:26 AM
thread starts here

https://twitter.com/garius/status/1631635077057708033





https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1631635077057708033.html

Quote
As the last of her crew passes away, it is time to tell the story of ORP Piorun again.

The Free Polish Navy destroyer that faced down the Bismarck, ran supplies to Malta, and fought the Luftwaffe over Clydebank during the Clydebank Blitz. /1 The N-Class destroyer ORP Piorun, moored up.
After the fall of Poland, many Polish sailors escape. some with their ships in frankly incredible acts of bravery, but not all.

So in May 1940, the British navy give the Free Poles HMS Nerissa. An N-Class destroyer, small and lightly armoured, with a focus on speed and torpedoes

The Free Polish navy rechristen her 'ORP Piorun' and give command to Eugeniusz Pławski. Pławski commanded destroyers in the Imperial Russian Navy in WW1, then immediately joined the Polish navy when they got independence.

He was a highly experienced officer and a fierce patriot. Pławski on the deck of his ship, in uniform, with a camera.
On 13th March 1941, Piorun and her all-Polish crew are laid up for repairs at John Browns in Clydebank.

That night, the Luftwaffe launch a devastating attack on the area, home to vital industry and oil supplies.

Thus begins the Clydebank Blitz. It will almost destroy the town. wrecked buildings and a tram during the clydebank blitz
For two nights bombs rain down on Clydebank. Over a thousand die, but the Clydebankers fight the fires and battle to help survivors.

And alongside them, blazing away at the Luftwaffe prone in her berth, despite the attention it draws and the target it makes her, is the Piorun.

"No one who lived through the Blitz in Clydebank seems likely to forget the terrific barrage on the first night from Ack-Ack guns on a Polish destroyer which happened to be in John Brown’s dock for repairs at that time." - Dr MacPhail, Clydebank blitz survivor

The impact of Piorun's fire was minimal, but to those on the ground it was a defiant answer. A sign that Clydebank was not alone and punching back.

Over two terrible nights, Piorun emptied her magazines in defence of her temporary home. Today she is permanently remembered there. commemorative stone to Piorun in Clydebank
After refit, Piorun joins the 4th Destroyer Flotilla, alongside four Tribals.

They're escorting a convoy near the Bay of Biscay late on 25 May 1941 when word is received:

Bismarck is escaping. Hunt is on. Stay with your convoy

NARRATOR: The 4th do not stay with their convoy bismarck looking very big and very battleshippy
The 4th Flotilla is led by Philip Vian. One of the finest Flotilla commanders EVER and entirely capable of reading a chart.

He knows Bismarck is fast. The only chance the British have to kill her is if they can find her quick. philip vian looking clean shaven and stern
Vian is in the right place. Maybe the only flotilla that is. He has 4 Tribals (the most batshit aggressive destroyers in the Navy) and the crazy brave Piorun under Pławski.

He ignores the order and unleashes his pack of sea wolves, ordering them to fan out and find. That. Ship.

On the night of the 26th, in heaving seas, ORP Piorun sights an unknown big ship. She attempts to establish its identity. It answers with gunfire.

Bismarck.

Pławski signals Vian. Vian orders the Flotilla to converge and alerts the Admiralty.

But everyone else is an hour away.

Pławski now faces a choice. One solid hit from Bismarck will disable or destroy Piorun. But if he backs off, they'll lose contact before the Tribals arrive to help.

So he orders a single message sent to the giant battleship unencoded:

"I AM A POLE!"

And then Piorun charges her Pławski wrapped up warm on the bridge, smoking a cigarette
For almost an hour, ORP Piorun harries Bismarck alone, her smaller guns blazing, while the bigger ship tries to swat her.

Finally, Vian and the rest of the Flotilla arrive and join in. Together they box her, wearing her down until the British big guns can reach them at daylight.

Indeed knowing Piorun is lower on fuel than the Tribals, Vian (perhaps also feeling the Poles had done enough and were pushing their luck) orders her to withdraw. They don't.

"Radio problem" Pławski later tells Vian.

Vian (who can't really throw stones at that glass house) is:
Piorun's war isn't over. She runs supplies to Malta (notably as part of Operation Halberd) and takes part in the invasion of Sicily. But it's against Bismarck that she claims her place in history.

As it was politely put:

"Piorun did well under difficult conditions."

😆 official memo praising piorun for her actions
In late 1944 Pławski becomes Chief of Staff for the Free Polish Navy. At war's end, like many Poles, he refuses to return to a Poland abandoned by the allies to the Soviets.

In a quiet act of defiance he hands the Free Navy's flag to the Sikorski institute. He moves to Canada. Pławski as a senior officer, inspecting a ship.
Pławski dies, still in exile, in Vancover in 1973.

But he would eventually make it back home.

In 2004, watched by his son, he was reinterred in the Polish naval cemetery at Gdynia.

It is an honour he thoroughly deserves.

Many of Piorun's crew (including one Richard Polanski) move to Scotland, and Clydebank. The area that had been their home in wartime, now a home in exile.

Often forced to watch as their own country, and their adopted one, largely wrote them out of history. They were inconvenient photo of ship's crew
In 1960, "Sink the Bismarck!" is released to great acclaim, telling the story of the hunt and destruction of the Bismarck.

Piorun does not feature in it. Instead, the sighting of Bismarck is shown as being made by Vian

(Something the real-life Vian was furious about) film poster for Sink the Bismarck!
This thread is dedicated to Pławski, the crew of Piorun and all who served in the Free Polish Navy.

In particular to Richard Polanski, who died on 17th December 2022, the last of Piorun's crew.

There can be no greater honour than to say:

He was a Pole.
Anyway, hope you enjoyed this little diversion into a little piece of Polish naval history, which really deserves to be much better known.

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=++

Random acts of genius and other inspirations of applied violence.
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
Six Degrees of Radio for songs you should know by artists you should love


besilarius

  • Corporal
  • **
  • Posts: 1694
Reply #1564 on: June 20, 2024, 07:54:59 PM
The carrier Franklin, after the attack.

"These things must be done delicately-- or you hurt the spell."  - The Wicked Witch of the West.
"We've got the torpedo damage temporarily shored up, the fires out and soon will have the ship back on an even keel. But I would suggest, sir, that if you have to take any more torpedoes, you take 'em on the starboard side."   Pops Healy, DCA USS Lexington.


bayonetbrant

  • Arrogance Mitigator & Event "Organizer"
  • Administrator
  • Staff Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 16172
  • Going mad, but at least going somewhere
    • Six Degrees of Radio
Reply #1565 on: June 20, 2024, 08:38:42 PM
eesh

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=++

Random acts of genius and other inspirations of applied violence.
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
Six Degrees of Radio for songs you should know by artists you should love


besilarius

  • Corporal
  • **
  • Posts: 1694
Reply #1566 on: July 16, 2024, 05:03:40 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=V6odkpGg7rdQKFC&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1cJPeekv69EoWLkTjHdXbX0MyixoVBAOcOXzf51iFl3Lcb4txCaUUK4tE_aem_THd1iwyEcZS1wJH_lU47hw&v=zl-aUcOWFME&feature=youtu.be

Would have thought by 1965 Sara would have had the Navy Tactical Data System (NTDS) instead of the grease p3ncil/ bogey tote boards.
The early warning aircraft were originally designed WLF-1.  Naturally, this became Willie Fudd.  Elmer's smart brother.

"These things must be done delicately-- or you hurt the spell."  - The Wicked Witch of the West.
"We've got the torpedo damage temporarily shored up, the fires out and soon will have the ship back on an even keel. But I would suggest, sir, that if you have to take any more torpedoes, you take 'em on the starboard side."   Pops Healy, DCA USS Lexington.


besilarius

  • Corporal
  • **
  • Posts: 1694
Reply #1567 on: July 25, 2024, 02:15:58 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U6ZcHYrNflA

Refueling during the Doolittle raid.
One noticeable difference in technique.  The carrier  is the guide and the oiler approaches her and matches course and speed.  Nowadays, the oiler is the guide and all the other ships do the approach.  Oilers are a lot less maneuverable

"These things must be done delicately-- or you hurt the spell."  - The Wicked Witch of the West.
"We've got the torpedo damage temporarily shored up, the fires out and soon will have the ship back on an even keel. But I would suggest, sir, that if you have to take any more torpedoes, you take 'em on the starboard side."   Pops Healy, DCA USS Lexington.


bayonetbrant

  • Arrogance Mitigator & Event "Organizer"
  • Administrator
  • Staff Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 16172
  • Going mad, but at least going somewhere
    • Six Degrees of Radio
Reply #1568 on: July 31, 2024, 12:11:33 AM
comparative sizes of battleships

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=++

Random acts of genius and other inspirations of applied violence.
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
Six Degrees of Radio for songs you should know by artists you should love


bob48

  • Smeghead.
  • Warrant Officer
  • Lead Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 12337
Reply #1569 on: July 31, 2024, 05:50:56 AM
...its not the size that matters......................

“O Lord God, let me not be disgraced in my old days.”

'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers'


Doctor Quest

  • Corporal
  • **
  • Posts: 1137
  • I'm not a real doctor.
Reply #1570 on: July 31, 2024, 11:51:02 AM
Size certainly helped the Yamoto.  :idiot2:

"Everything you read on the internet is true." - Benjamin Franklin

"Something so addictive about the whole kill and loot dynamic, though." - Gusington


bob48

  • Smeghead.
  • Warrant Officer
  • Lead Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 12337
Reply #1571 on: July 31, 2024, 01:30:31 PM
It sank.

“O Lord God, let me not be disgraced in my old days.”

'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers'


Doctor Quest

  • Corporal
  • **
  • Posts: 1137
  • I'm not a real doctor.
Reply #1572 on: July 31, 2024, 02:08:53 PM
Indeed. It was a big target.

"Everything you read on the internet is true." - Benjamin Franklin

"Something so addictive about the whole kill and loot dynamic, though." - Gusington


bob48

  • Smeghead.
  • Warrant Officer
  • Lead Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 12337
Reply #1573 on: July 31, 2024, 02:45:41 PM
So was her sister :-)

“O Lord God, let me not be disgraced in my old days.”

'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers'


besilarius

  • Corporal
  • **
  • Posts: 1694
Reply #1574 on: August 01, 2024, 11:46:39 AM
http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm

A comparison of the major BBs  in WWII.
Please check out Fire Control, which covers why optical systems didn't really matter anymore.

"These things must be done delicately-- or you hurt the spell."  - The Wicked Witch of the West.
"We've got the torpedo damage temporarily shored up, the fires out and soon will have the ship back on an even keel. But I would suggest, sir, that if you have to take any more torpedoes, you take 'em on the starboard side."   Pops Healy, DCA USS Lexington.