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Title: MtG
Post by: bob48 on January 25, 2019, 05:10:20 PM
Anyone still play MtG at all?
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: BanzaiCat on January 25, 2019, 07:53:38 PM
Oh, Bawb. Bawb, Bawb, Bawb.

Please don't tell us you have been sucked into the never-ending black hole of MtG... ;D
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bayonetbrant on January 25, 2019, 08:17:11 PM
Bison was a regular player
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on January 26, 2019, 06:23:16 AM
Bison was a regular player

Yes he was indeed.

We (me and the missus)  played a lot, years ago, and still have maybe 1000 cards up to 8th edition, but we haven't played it for a long time. I would be quite happy to play it again to be honest, as the 'base game is really not that bad.

I did play the online game a bit but found that to be a lot less enjoyable.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on January 26, 2019, 06:34:06 AM
Oh, Bawb. Bawb, Bawb, Bawb.

Please don't tell us you have been sucked into the never-ending black hole of MtG... ;D

Cough cough (Axis and Allies Zombies) cough! cough!
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: mirth on January 26, 2019, 09:27:40 AM
 I have a good friend who is a hard core MTG player, but I have managed to avoid it.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on January 26, 2019, 09:58:09 AM
MD is (or was) a player and has (or had)  a large collection of cards.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: BanzaiCat on January 26, 2019, 07:29:53 PM
I played it quite a bit when I was a paramedic. One of my partners got me hooked on it. He knew a little card shop that sold them cheap so I bought quite a few over about a year. I then went to San Antonio for a convention and saw a buddy of mine that worked at the mall attached to my hotel (he worked at the IMAX theater in the projection booth). I brought my deck because he had one too, and he utterly and thoroughly destroyed me. That's when I learned you could spend serious $$$ on that damn game. He had a LOT of expensive cards in a huge book. I washed my hands of the game at that point...no way I was going to spend tons of dough on it.

Gee, good thing I learned to not spend a lot of money on games.  ;)
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on January 27, 2019, 05:46:07 AM
I agree that it would be easy to get carried away by it from a collecting point of view, but that applies to lots of hobbies, including board games!
However, its also possible to to enjoy the game without buying every new addition and trying to complete collection unless that is what a person likes to do. The point is that since the core rules are pretty stable, you can play it without needing all the new stuff and with 'old' edition cards.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Metaldog on February 17, 2019, 06:16:23 PM
I got in at the beginning.  Around '93.  It was a review by Rick Swan in Dragon Magazine that did it.  There was a minis shop that sold some RPG stuff in town.  I went down there looking for MtG cards.  He said he'd never heard of them.  I gave him the Wizards of the Coast order information.  Couple weeks later, he had them in and I bought my first two decks and 10 boosters.  I was hooked!!  Actively collected through Ice Ages and lost interest after that.  I've picked up a few boxes over the years since and inherited a couple thousand from a friend, but, I don't play.  My regular playing partner left the house when my daughter moved in with her boyfriend.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bayonetbrant on February 17, 2019, 07:17:46 PM
I started with 3rd Ed (revised) and gave up around Mirage.  I was an active member of the MtG-L listserv run by WotC in the mid-90s, and showed up in the occasional Duelist magazine being quoted in an article here or there.

After Mirage, I just lost interest in collecting, and my playing community had dwindled.

I played a LOT of different CCGs, though.  I had a bunch of ME:tW, Echelons, Guardians, and others.  LOVED the Mechwarrior CCG.  Somewhere around the late-90s I pivoted back to reading a lot of RPG stuff and stopped with the card games, and never really missed them until my son showed some interest.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Metaldog on February 17, 2019, 09:02:19 PM
I have a couple thousand Battletech CCG cards.  I was developing some campaign rules for it, but, I didn't have enough Clan cards to draw from.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bbmike on February 17, 2019, 09:18:31 PM
Never played it. I have the Steam version though.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: JasonPratt on February 18, 2019, 01:31:42 PM
The current Steam Magic Duels system is pretty handy. It arbitrates the rules, looks sharp, tutorials are helpful (except when they temporarily break ;) ), cost-efficient for the return -- you can get a lot of stuff for free if you play competently, and the full tutorial system gives LOTS of credit for new players to spend on booster packs. I think by now a new player could get all the cards of one set for free by completing all the tutorial campaigns.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on March 01, 2019, 09:16:56 PM
Bison was a regular player

I still do indeed but I really only play two ways these days. Commander with several pre-constructed decks. Well balanced against each other and an economical way to play.

Mostly I mess around with my pauper cube. Here’s a link to my current cube list. http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/87746
It’s all common cards so outside of a dozen cards over $1 most cards are 10 cents or less. The 800 sleeves cost more than the cards. Anyway cube is great because you can just use the cards you have to play draft or a “sealed” constructed game. Look up Winston draft. It is a Richard Garfield designed draft for two players. Works really well and is a ton of fun. A thousand cards is 100s of hours of drafting  and sealed fun.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Metaldog on March 02, 2019, 10:20:45 AM
Bison, my man!  Good to see you, brother!!
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on March 02, 2019, 12:16:58 PM
Bison, my man!  Good to see you, brother!!
Thanks MD.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on April 24, 2019, 08:58:34 AM
MtG Collection

I also resurrected by collection details on 'Deckbox', and found that I have 4 cards worth over $16 each!
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on April 24, 2019, 07:21:54 PM
IIRC the battle royale set included a reprint of Land Tax. It is desired for several formats but especially nice in commander. 

I always enjoying discovering a lost treasure like that even if I have no real need for a deck.

My favorite art ever is Illusory Angel. Pretty meh card but I love it and forced it into several decks just because. It’s the joy of being a lover of janky cards. Put stuff in a deck and spend the night answering “why?”
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on April 25, 2019, 06:00:39 AM
IIRC the battle royale set included a reprint of Land Tax. It is desired for several formats but especially nice in commander. 

I always enjoying discovering a lost treasure like that even if I have no real need for a deck.

My favorite art ever is Illusory Angel. Pretty meh card but I love it and forced it into several decks just because. It’s the joy of being a lover of janky cards. Put stuff in a deck and spend the night answering “why?”

Yep, I do have Land Tax, which, according to Deckbox, is currently worth $27.51!
Deckbox is a really useful (free) utility. It says that I currently have 977 cards (although I suspect there may be a few I missed when cataloguing the collection).and has a average current value of $505 if all cards are in 'near mint' condition, which they are.

Not included in that picture, I also have the Sixth Edition Core Set.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on April 25, 2019, 07:26:54 PM
Six Edition is a really good set. Lots of value in the mythic and rares. The problem of course is unless you directly sell on eBay, you won’t get the actual value. In the states you’re lucky to get about 40% value. Everyone uses tcgplayer as the buy-sell price guide. Most common and uncommon are treated as bulk so pennies for a trade. One store I talked to paid 25 cents per inch. So a five inch stack of cards would net you a whopping $1.25. Maybe a little more if you take store credit.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on April 26, 2019, 04:59:34 AM
 Interesting, although to be candid, I only checked values out of curiosity since I really do not intend to sell them. Now if I could just stumble on a Black Lotus..........
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on April 26, 2019, 08:29:09 AM
I don’t sell cards either. I just slowly acquire them and futilely try to keep them organized. I have one smaller box of cards l want to pass along.  When I was drafting regularly, I tended to pick and play the same cards because I found winning builds at FLGS. Now it’s just too many duplicates. So I’m  just going to give them to a friends boys. They will think they are cool because they are from sets they haven’t played.

Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on April 26, 2019, 08:36:41 AM
The cost of older sets, if you can find them, are prohibitive - I may have to start buying newer ones!

Also, I just made a few card boxes out of thin card - very easy to do although they do look a bit...baroque.......:-)

......yes I know: cheapskate.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on April 26, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
The new core set should be out end of the summer. I really like core sets. Mechanics tend to be the streamlined evergreen types like trample, flying, reach, +1 counters etc...as a result the cards tend to play better with a mix of more previous sets. Sometimes you get mechanics that don't transfer well outside of their specific blocks. For example, the new energy mechanic is really only in two sets Kaladesh and Aether Revolt.

 I'm on the hook for some of the next set pre-releasing this weekend. Planeswalkers are expanding to uncommon cards, so more choices and easier to get. The kids love planeswalkers so we will be buying some product. Just not sure what or how much just yet. 
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on April 26, 2019, 02:47:54 PM
Yup - I've been looking at the new core set. Tempting!
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on April 26, 2019, 09:38:50 PM
I like Core 2019. It’s the set I’m using to teach the second oldest how to build decks. We bought a booster box and still have over half of it sealed. It seems expensive at first but compared to other hobbies or outings it’s actually pretty reasonable. We each start with six packs to build our decks and add a new pack to our pool every week or two. So we will get many evenings of gaming over the course of several months from one box.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on April 27, 2019, 04:46:28 AM
I recently came across the notes for a campaign system that I had worked out several years ago. It's actually quite good although we didn't get to play test it fully.

I may resorect this project.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on April 29, 2019, 10:10:43 AM
We upgraded our decks a little bit this weekend with some War of the Spark cards. I'm not a huge fan of planeswalkers but there's no going back now. It'll be interesting to see whether they come to dominate standard and have more impact on modern.

What WotC got correct is the appeal of opening planeswalkers to many players especially the younger crowd. 
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on April 29, 2019, 10:25:14 AM
I'm actually quite interested in the Ravnica  Deck Builders Toolkit. Seems to offer a lot at a decent price. We have to go into Newcastle tomorrow so, time permitting, we'll nip into Forbidden Planet and see if they have it in stock.

https://forbiddenplanet.com/posts/pictures-video-our-newcastle-megastore-opening-day/
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on April 29, 2019, 10:33:24 AM
Ravnica is a good block. They may also have the core 2019 or Ixalan deck builders.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on April 29, 2019, 10:55:37 AM
I'll let you know what I come back with :-)
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on April 29, 2019, 11:02:42 PM
I'm excited for you and Mrs. Bob. Ignore the naysayers and sling some new spells brother!
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on May 01, 2019, 06:24:09 AM
So, we visited the three shops that sell Mtg and they had all sold out of the set I had decided on; M19 Deck Builder Toolkit. It seems that there has been a run on a lot of sets before 'Spark' arrives. Nice to know that the MtG gaming scene is so healthy.

Therefore, I ordered it on amazon (at a slightly cheaper price, I may add) and it arrives on Friday.  :bigthumb:
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on May 01, 2019, 08:20:42 PM
I like the choice. Core sets are a great way to get back into the game. You should easily be able to build two decks to play against each other with the deck builders box. Good mix of colors and spells plus a 100 land pack.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on May 16, 2019, 09:33:47 PM
How are the new cards Bob?

I’ve build a few different decks this week.

A green white knight deck. Basically spam board with 2/2 knights play some enchantments or combat tricks to add a +2/+2 or +3/+3 with trample. Have some Pegasus to give the knights flying and a hand full of control cards to manage the board state.

The other deck is a blue black. Basic concept is to take life from the opponent when I gain life or cause my opponent to discard a card. Through in some remove for good measure and it’s an annoying control deck. In concept it works but it’s been pretty inconsistent in its first few plays.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Metaldog on May 20, 2019, 11:51:32 PM
I don't think I've bought any cards since Ice Ages.  Since my daughter moved in with her bf and my son moved away, i don't have anyone to play with.  It's a great game.  Amazing to think the 30th anniversary isn't but a few years away.  As soon as I read Rick Swan's review in Dragon Magazine in '93, I knew I had to play this game.  And I was right.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on May 26, 2019, 06:53:32 AM
I don't think I've bought any cards since Ice Ages.  Since my daughter moved in with her bf and my son moved away, i don't have anyone to play with.  It's a great game.  Amazing to think the 30th anniversary isn't but a few years away.  As soon as I read Rick Swan's review in Dragon Magazine in '93, I knew I had to play this game.  And I was right.

The best low cost way to play is Commander (don't get me wrong people buy and play expensive cards). However, a pre-constructed deck with $20 in upgrades can make it reasonably competitive and fun. Most game stores have people casually playing commander nightly. The players are also usually accommodating to new/returning players. MtG really can be a low cost hobby. A $40 pre-con deck plus low cost upgrades when you can afford to or want to make them is literally 100s of hours of game play at the table.

A few years ago I bought a bundle deal with five pre-con commander decks for Christmas and sleeved them up. The family and I have played those decks unmodified at the table for about 4 or 5 years now. There are very few hobbies that a single purchase produces years of enjoyment. The only other non-RPG game to produce the same replayability at my table has been Dominion with a couple of expansions.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on May 26, 2019, 07:46:43 AM
A couple of really good online resources for MtG.

https://scryfall.com/ - A great site to follow set releases or look up cards. The best part is every card has a rulings section.
https://edhrec.com/ - THE site for all things commander, aka elder dragon highlander (EDH) the original name.
https://www.mtgassist.com/index.php - Do not have the funds or desire to spend $$$$ on a card. This site helps you find cheap alternatives or similar cards in other colors.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on May 26, 2019, 11:19:04 AM
How are the new cards Bob?

I’ve build a few different decks this week.

A green white knight deck. Basically spam board with 2/2 knights play some enchantments or combat tricks to add a +2/+2 or +3/+3 with trample. Have some Pegasus to give the knights flying and a hand full of control cards to manage the board state.

The other deck is a blue black. Basic concept is to take life from the opponent when I gain life or cause my opponent to discard a card. Through in some remove for good measure and it’s an annoying control deck. In concept it works but it’s been pretty inconsistent in its first few plays.

Some good cards in the M19 core set, Bison. I'm experimenting with 'weenie' decks right now.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on May 27, 2019, 11:37:05 AM
Very cool. I just realized they do not randomize the deck builders toolkits anymore beyond the four sealed packs. I guess I understand the logic. It lets them give a better "how to build" template if everyone has the same card pool. The only downside is not too many multiples so lots of variance in the decks. They really could have provided two or three copies of a few more cards. Personally I like singleton formats which is how I built my cube and of course commander is a singleton format too. There is only one solution Bob. BUILD A CUBE!  :D
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on May 27, 2019, 12:24:15 PM
A CUBE, you say?...........................mwhahahaha.............

I also tend to build singleton decks, but my current weenie (white + blue) deck does include a few copies of recruitment cards. One of the downsides I find with weenie decks is that you can quickly deplete your hand, so recruitment cards are a must.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on May 29, 2019, 11:16:54 AM
Absolutely build a cube and play Winston draft. It’s great way expand the life of a collection with many single cards. Just make sure your colors are generally balanced by having the same number of cards. There’s more tricks to balancing but just doing that makes any cube playable.

Lots of time building a cube so if your interested I can give you some tips. Also https://www.cubetutor.com is a great site to see how others build cubes. I look at not the specific cards (because I don’t have them or want to spend $$$$ on power cards) but how people typically balance creatures and non-creature spells between the colors.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on May 29, 2019, 11:32:35 AM
Good stuff! Thank's Bison.

MtG activity temporarily suspended, as GBACW 'Twin Peaks - The Battles of Cedar Mountain and South Mountain'' arrived today :-)
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: mirth on May 29, 2019, 11:41:01 AM
GBACW 'Twin Peaks - The Battles of Cedar Mountain and South Mountain'' arrived today :-)

A proper game.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on May 29, 2019, 11:58:09 AM
I weep for you.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: BanzaiCat on May 29, 2019, 12:16:31 PM
How many meeples in that one?  :hehe:
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: mirth on May 29, 2019, 12:41:35 PM
How many meeples in that one?  :hehe:

Zombie Meeples, you'll love it.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: BanzaiCat on May 29, 2019, 01:41:07 PM
What a rotten thing to say.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on July 07, 2019, 07:27:36 PM
Well the two oldest and I attended the Magic 2020 core set pre-release today. I really, really like the set especially in a limited format where auras and equipment matter. The oldest placed fourth 2-1-1. I placed sixth 1-1-2. And the second oldest placed eighth 1-2-1. Not too shabby but I spent 25 minutes of my 30 minutes deck construction time helping the youngest. What do you do to build a deck in 5 minutes? Slam two colors together count out 24 cards add 16 lands evenly divided and then play and pray. Great time with the kids.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 07, 2019, 07:37:40 PM
how long 'til the twins are old enough for you guys to just hold your own tournaments?
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on July 07, 2019, 07:39:44 PM
About four years.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on July 07, 2019, 07:42:01 PM
My goal is to take all top eight places at a tournament.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on July 08, 2019, 06:55:24 AM
Just been looking at the M2020 core set. There is some interesting stuff in there.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: mirth on July 08, 2019, 08:53:59 AM
My goal is to take all top eight places at a tournament.

The Bison Bunch. Fear them.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on July 18, 2019, 07:17:05 PM
Currently designing cubes 3 and 4. It’s an addiction really.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on July 19, 2019, 06:39:03 AM
And, when you start doing stuff like, the hours just evaporate.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on July 19, 2019, 08:24:06 AM
And my wallet cries out in agony and the wife mutters something...most likely words of love...in my general direction.

Me: I need a Kitchen Finks....

Wife: I don’t like the faucet fixture either

Me: I know the balance is all off...I need to fix this

Wife: Want to go to the hardware store?

Me: sure, why?

Wife: To fix the sink...

Me: I didn’t know Home Depot sold Magic cards...

Wife: .......

Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on July 19, 2019, 11:08:17 AM
^ROFL  ;D
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on July 30, 2019, 08:15:41 PM
The peasant cube is complete for now. Still need to do a little more testing but I’ve basically exhausted the sets I limited the cards to. So I’ll need to slowly add cards from other sets. It can be a hassle to balance the colors. Right now I need to give green a little more love and consider dropping a control card or three from white, blue, and black. The challenge is replacing them with combat tricks that will not always being last pick side board cards.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: bob48 on July 31, 2019, 07:39:20 AM
I suspect that have ignored sideboards too much. I need to think about being more constructive in that respect.
Title: Re: MtG
Post by: Bison on August 01, 2019, 04:10:17 AM
Side boarding is interesting but really only comes into play in best of three games where there is a degree of uncertainty about your opponents deck.

In limited, your side board is the cards you drafted or opened but did not select to be the 22-24 playable in your forty card deck. So in draft, which is how I usually play my cube, you have around 21-23 “side board cards” not all of which are in the colors you are playing. So even fewer cards. Designing a cube, what I don’t want is a handful of cards always taken last and put in the side board. They are situational good sometimes, but usually never played. Ideally every card is desirable but that is hard to achieve if not impossible. For example I’d try to never make a cube slot for a 2/2 for 2 mana creature. It’s filler and unplayable. Anyway, it’s hard to know the dead cards because different people and groups prefer different things. I love counter and bounce spells. But in my 540 card peasant (commons and uncommon only) cube, of the 38 or so blue non-creature spells I want a mix to include combat tricks like cannot be blocked or +1/+1 and flying. So control spells like counter or bounce might be 1/2 or a little more. The reason is to try and ensure some are pulled in every pack but not every spell is counter spells.. Variance a jerk however. It’s tricky.